Constituents Camaras and Cellphones Confiscated by LEO's
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chefdennis
Veteran Expediter
Wow...ok, yea i guess even in LE "the ends justify the means".... use unlawful means to break the constitution and use them against the law abding citizens...wow..
And yes LEO's can be suited and are all the time for using unconstitutional means , ie, breaking the very laws they are suppose to uphold....
As a contractor to a company, my my rights are limited by the contract I sign, and pales in comparison to the rights of the people of the US....
But its good to know that if a LEO wants to unlawfuul detain arrest or beat the hell out of you, you'd be ok with it as long as it was for what he or others thought was a good reason....
And yes LEO's can be suited and are all the time for using unconstitutional means , ie, breaking the very laws they are suppose to uphold....
As a contractor to a company, my my rights are limited by the contract I sign, and pales in comparison to the rights of the people of the US....
But its good to know that if a LEO wants to unlawfuul detain arrest or beat the hell out of you, you'd be ok with it as long as it was for what he or others thought was a good reason....
mcavoy33
Seasoned Expediter
But its good to know that if a LEO wants to unlawfuul detain arrest or beat the hell out of you, you'd be ok with it as long as it was for what he or others thought was a good reason....
99% of the time when that type of police brutality happens, the person it happened to, did something wrong, I'm not saying they eere in the wrong completely or they deserved it but they likely provoked it.
I don't really care if that type of thing happens, LEO's are human and prone to error just like me and you. They will eventually get what is coming to them.
I am a law abiding citizen, I don't put myself in stupid scenarios where I give people in authoritya chance to abuse their power.
If people are stupid enough to put themselves in those scenarios, then they won't be getting my pity when they could have avoided it.
It was 100% there choice. If they have half a brain, they knew there was going to be potential reprecussions, I'm not going to whine over people who purposely do things that will irritate others .
mcavoy33
Seasoned Expediter
. What a lovely nam
Thank the Patriot Act. Isn't it such a befitting name?
Personally I could care less if big brother is watching. It wouldn't bother me if all my calls were recorded. Nobody is going to abuse it to come after lowly law abiding me.
Why not hold people accountable for their actions by having a history of it?
greg334
Veteran Expediter
Camper Dude, in our past, we have had several police state societies and always it swung back to a realisitic world. If you look at the Wilson's administration and what they did leading up to the war, it was a disgusting time to be living in the US.
You remember reading about the House committee on Un-American Activities in the 40s? It wasn't a great time when you could have had your phone tapped, mail read and even had listening devices installed under a blanket court order.
Now many miss a few things about the ACLU and other "liberal" organizations who are the watch dogs of our government, they serve a purpose. They are not groups I agree with or even like but it comes down to what if they were not around, would we be facing another Wilson?
AMonger
Veteran Expediter
This is an absolutely stunning statement. I'm not surprised you made it, based on your other posts, but it's positively stunning, nonetheless.
By the way, it's I _COULDN'T_ care less, not COULD.
Let's see...where have I heard this before...? It wasn't in these exact words, but the idea was the same. Where was it?
Oh, I remember! But I didn't hear them; I read them, in text sat the bottom of the screen. I couldn't understand the actual dialogue though, because it was in German, something about JUST FOLLOWING ZE ORDNUNG!
No, every government worker--public servants with absolutely no right to privacy while they're on duty except while using the toilet or changing clothes--have the responsibility to only obey Constitutional orders or face legal, criminal consequences. An honest mistake is one thing, but there's a huge difference between that and something anyone should know is wrong.
A cop who takes something illegally is a thief, and if he has a gun while he does it, that makes it aggravated robbery and a felony.
That's how it works in a free country.
The D12 is now the D13. I find it hard to believe that people like you exist.
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Tennesseahawk
Veteran Expediter
I don't know... maybe a DEPRESSION? Hmm... could be.
Tennesseahawk
Veteran Expediter
Complacency is a female dog, is it not? We'd have a queen right now if our forefathers were like Mcavoy.
I just had coffee with Rodney King at Star Bucks. Rodney as you remember was worked over pretty well by some really nice police officers who were having a bad day at the office. Rodney still stands by his old saying, CANT WE ALL JUST GET ALONG. Now he wants some Lemonade.
Camper
Not a Member
Yes, and right now, the pendulum is swinging back towards the Police state end of the spectrum. The latest trend can be mostly attributed to Bush and his post 911 policies like the Patriot Act. Bush is basically Wilson with an (R) instead of a (D) next to his name. The current occupant of the Oval office is no better.
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greg334
Veteran Expediter
All true and would be worse if we allowed it. I have yet seen Obama present a package that is the same as the Patriot act and makes me wonder why people don't get upset with Bush's attempt to do the same things that they claim Obama is doing.
I could imagine if the far right wing part of the former administration got their way, with some of the social issues and their attempt to bring about a "brave new world" type country.
I have concluded a while ago, all of these laws that were passed, this attempt to "fix" our intelligence problems and the world wide reach to eradicate terrorism actually can't work. It digs us deeper into a hole and causes us to be paranoid to the point that we miss the obvious right in front of us.
I am also wondering Libya and especially if we get involved with Syria, how that involvement will be used as a rallying cry for some of these fringe groups in the Arab world. Will this lead to another Al Queda? Already there is concern with Al Queda having the money to control some of the Libyan weapons and nuke material that has yet to be secured.
Overall this will allow those to reinforce the need to have more laws and more restrictions that will only work on the population but not the terrorism.
Camper
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You're right with respect to the hypocrisy of the establishment right. The neocons are every bit as much for big government/big brother as the Democrats are.
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mcavoy33
Seasoned Expediter
AMonger, Tennesseeahawk
You can sit there and try to call me complacent but tell mewhat exactlyare you doing that is productive to prevent things like the Patriot Act stripping people of their rights?
You can pretend to be all high and mighty and fighting the fight but in reality, I highly doubt you are doing anything productive except sit here and whine.
The politician is probably an idiot but at least he is trying instead of sitting back and doing nothing but playing arm chair quarterback and criticizing from the sidelines.
Let me ask the two of you, do you think that the people who had their cell phones taken away were taking the most productive approach to advancing their agenda or making this a better country?
Would you ever spend your energy doing one of these "productive" protests? If you say you would, have you ever done anything or are you just talk?
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You can sit there and try to call me complacent but tell mewhat exactlyare you doing that is productive to prevent things like the Patriot Act stripping people of their rights?
You can pretend to be all high and mighty and fighting the fight but in reality, I highly doubt you are doing anything productive except sit here and whine.
The politician is probably an idiot but at least he is trying instead of sitting back and doing nothing but playing arm chair quarterback and criticizing from the sidelines.
Let me ask the two of you, do you think that the people who had their cell phones taken away were taking the most productive approach to advancing their agenda or making this a better country?
Would you ever spend your energy doing one of these "productive" protests? If you say you would, have you ever done anything or are you just talk?
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Tennesseahawk
Veteran Expediter
What's that got to do with the price of tea in China? What are we doing? We're spouting our opinions, same as you. By doing that, we're trying to educate people in here who are complacent, into embracing the Constitution, instead of their government.
Yes, I'm all talk. Cause if you haven't noticed, we're truck drivers, most of us. It's a little hard to organize stuff, while sitting in a truck 1000 miles away from home.
Camper
Not a Member
What most people fail to understand is that talk is the catalyst of change. Nothing wrong with being all talk if you're helping to promote the free flow of ideas.
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witness23
Veteran Expediter
Preach it brother!!
AMonger
Veteran Expediter
My opinion of you is far lower than that. A citizen who waives his own rights is probably just stupid; someone who decries the rights of others is something far worse.
It's true, I haven't done as much as I should, but I have opposed gun control laws, in print, electronic fora, and in person in front of legislative bodies. Have, in fact, what became the essentially keynote speech in defeating unconstitutional legislation in front of a city council. I've flouted unconstitutional "laws" and advocated the same to others. There is much more to do, and the less we do now, the more and harder we'll have to striker to remain anything close to free later.
But the one thing I'm not doing is rolling over on my back, urinating submissively or licking a tyrants hand, saying that people who ARE in the fight deserved to have their heads caved in or that "I could (sic) care less" when obvious tyranny is occurring.
No, you're something far different than complacent.
Don't think that's relevant. They were filming a public meeting, which is their right as free (cough) Americans, something their public servant had no right to forbid in a public meeting. Whether it was intended as a protest doesn't matter. The only facts in play here are they were exercising their rights and a tyrant stopped them forcibly.
AMonger
Veteran Expediter
You gotta be kidding. Oh, wait, that's satirical exhortation, right? That's the equivalent if someone saying amen to something said by a Moonie.
Tennesseahawk
Veteran Expediter
I know I was being nice by just calling him complacent. He really is far worse. But that was the word I could come up with at 2 in the morning. LOL