Congress Targets Detention Time at The Docks

[moose]

"we get 60 dollars and hour to sit starting now.

14 doors and 4 fl operators. i hope defazio wins his case.

and you trusts Defasio to price you at 60 $ ?
maybe less ?

howbou't a bulk truck at the flower mill ?. with it's 240psi compressor ? for 6n hours at a time ?
what if you need a wash out ?, will the gov. really understand your time ?
what with a pre-freeze reefers ?
food grade tankers ?
tarping a flatbed in the middle of a snow storm ?
grocery WHS's ? !!!
Lumper services ?
will a fuel tanker 'charge' the gas station ?, maybe the refinery ?
restaurant feeders spends most of their day delivering,
or an LTL truck ?
will the Gov. understands the way we do business ?
or maybe shippers will abuse this law, loading in 30 Min., and waiting with the ppwk another 75, cause your time is free.

 

[greg334]

Out of how many loads that you get, do you actually have to wait 2 hours for?

I would guess many one out of 100.

Here is a good example of why the government needs to stay out of this and do their job fixing what they messed up.

An order is placed by a customer on Friday, all the product for the order is not on site for that order so the shipper orders more product which will arrive on Monday. The shipper picks the carrier and tells the carrier that the order will be ready at 1500 on Tuesday.

The product comes in on Monday, the product is split for the customer's order Monday afternoon and the rest of the product goes into storage. The order is than completed on Tuesday morning and put into the staging area for pickup behind the 1400 hour stuff.

Tuesday morning, the truck arrives for the pickup at 1000. The truck has been told that the pickup is at 1500, not 1000 but the guy arrives early. They tell him to go somewhere else to wait, not their problem and the trucker gets p*ssed off. He tells his 'dispatcher' that the order isn't ready, how unfair it is and he wants D time for his wait.

He bump the docks at 1500 and gets loaded right away, and on his way within 30 minutes.

THIS actually happened. The trucker was so p*ssed that he had to wait until the appointed time and the carrier tried to charge for the D time, claiming that they were never told about the pickup time.

SO I would rather have the BS with this idea that there needs to be something done not to have the government involved, it isn't a problem for them to be concerned about because this has been going on for decades and it hasn't stopped the world yet.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

I've seen your example first hand a few times....for me waiting doesn't happen all that much....guess I am just lucky and the fact the log book ain't tickin away...

 

[LDB]

I'm sure that example happens more than we know. Expecting detention time when you are early is stupid. There has only been one time when I wanted D time to start "early" and that wasn't really early, just on time based on the original load offer I accepted. The pu was scheduled for 1500. In arrived a little early as always. There was a delay and my load was sent over with an 1830 pu time. I told them I was on 1500 and D time started at 1700 and they could give the other "new" load to someone else as in would take a dry run if my load cancelled. I got loaded at 1730 and paid a half hour detention.

 

[blackpup]

Any Trucker who has ever hauled to a grocery warehouse, can probably give very specific examples of of their time being wasted. Arrive on time or earlier, sit for hours in the yard before being allowed to back into the dock, the receiving clerk tells driver, take the load off of the pallets it was shipped on and transfer contents to the warehouse's pallets. All this usually takes two or three hours to accomplish . The owner operator/driver might receive $50 or $60 dollars for their time.
Breaking down 45,000 lbs by hand is not easy. I suspect this is the problem OOIDA would like to see addressed.

Government regulation may not be the best solution for this problem. Driver could do what I did, find another line of work. The issue still remains for other o/o or company drivers.

jimmy

 

[CharlesD]

Paying for the time doesn't address the whole problem. Letting a driver stop his clock while detained is the other part of that.

Regarding the comment about Sylectus members boycotting NLM. That will never happen. Too many of them make a killing double brokering NLM loads to the Sylectus members who don't have access to it.

 

[TeamCaffee]

As unskilled labor how much is our time worth sitting at a dock doing nothing? We have the option of taking a nap, watching TV, going for a walk and I cannot see many people in the government thinking that time is worth much pay.

What happens if we are going to be in there very long? Shipper might as well hold us for a ten hour break. They we would be ready to run the freight and we had a nice place to sleep...

I also agree who is going to enforce this from what I have heard of the proposed bill the carriers can opt out of this mandate.

In this situation the only thing that I see making a difference is an EOBR as that does not allow the driver to make up the time for a shipper holding someone up at the dock ad the load will not be delivered on time.

We have been to grocery warehouses and they are someplace I never want to go back. We have a friend who does these all of the time and is constantly frustrated. He took the job so he can be home often. When talking to him he has to admit he gets paid very well and if it was evened out and if he looked at his pay as day pay instead of mileage he gets paid very well.

I see it as being like FSC if the load pays enough I do not care if FSC is specified in the pay. If the load pays enough to hold me up at a dock for several hours than we will haul the load. If the pay is not good enough change companies do not let the government come in and regulate more laws.

 

[Jefferson3000]

Just a note to you guys running for people that make you wait at least 2 hours before paying you, consider this. They all pay us after one hour of waiting, and some do so very handsomely. They are not even shocked that we asked for it after the first hour. Why? Most are making detention from the customer after the first hour. Tractors may have 2 free, because they generally take longer to finish loading anyways. But the fact is, while you guys get your shorts in a bunch over who gets what with the fsc, they are making a killing off of you with detention.

 

[turritrans]

Looks like the Feds are addressing the concerns of the industry with regulation and are hellbent on making these changes.

 

[CharlesD]

Looks like the Feds are addressing the concerns of the industry with regulation and are hellbent on making these changes.

You can trust the federal government to always do what's right. They have our best interests in mind. There's nothing to worry about. (And don't let me catch you peeking behind that curtain either. There's nothing there.)

 

[iceroadtrucker]

Well I hope that they do and I hope that they mandate that a driver gets a mando 100 an hour Det time. 100.00 an hour for a driver. Hours to a driver are like Gold $$$ Just like tools to a Mechanic are Gold.

Bet alot of those wear houses that have Frozen foods will speed up there loading alot of Trucks sit 6 to 7 hours waiten to get loaded. There are even some that wait 24 hours.
Now thats not in the Expedite business but to our fellow freight transporters it happens all to often.
Staight Trucks you dont see it alot that is for sure but.
Tractor trailers it does.

Think about it in the big sheme of things look at how much Lumper Charges are to unload a trailer.

Ive seen the company cut a few checks since Ive been here in Expedite and in Regular Freight transport it happens all the time.

 

[blackpup]

Committee seeks crackdown on dock 'retention' - Today's Trucking, the truck news site.

"Of those, 80 percent had difficulty complying with hours of service. ... According to OOIDA, drivers spend 30-40 each week on loading docks, ..."

I can easily believe 20 to 25 hours detention time per week, 30 to 40 hours would be astounding .

Even at 20 to 30 hours detention time, the shipper/receivers have to be costing themselves extra, paying dockworkers for this inefficiency, whether or not they pay detention time to carriers or drivers.

jimmy

 

[geo]

one place i del to in to newport news va, dock workers had been told get me in and out in less than 28 mins so don't have to pay d time as d time started in 31 mins

i had a 0600 apointment and didn't leave until they closed at 1530, had to sort by size, style, po, serial no , no more than 50 to a pallett had 782 boxe's that was 12 pallets to start
when i load it by way they wanted 30 pallets

when they got bill for d time

 

[geo]

i love walmart/sams club and dist center to del to for the d time