Congress does it again

louixo

Veteran Expediter
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According to the Investors Business Daily <IBDeditorials.com: Editorials, Political Cartoons, and Polls from Investor's Business Daily -- Crude Mistake
67:89C58ED8630CD5D719EED4687D07E59D> there are an estimated 1 trillion barrels of oil trapped in shale in the U.S. and Canada. Retrieving just a tenth of it would quadruple our current oil reserves.
But the "No-We-Can't" Left in Congress -- as they're prone to do -- said no, and Americans will pay the price.
Aren't we proud of our 545 electd officials!!!!!
As they go, so goes the nation!!!!
Subject: "NO WE CAN'T"
CONGRESS......SHAME.......
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 13:29:42 -0700 Who's to blame for our high gas prices? The oil companies? The Saudis? OPEC?

The answer, unfortunately, is closer to home: The "No-We-Can't" Left in Congress.
Last Thursday, with oil at $124 a barrel, liberals on the Senate Appropriations committee voted to block environmentally sound development of oil shale in Colorado.
According to the Investors Business Daily

<IBDeditorials.com: Editorials, Political Cartoons, and Polls from Investor's Business Daily -- Crude Mistake
67:89C58ED8630CD5D719EED4687D07E59D>

There are an estimated 1 trillion barrels of oil trapped in shale in the U.S. and Canada. Retrieving just a tenth of it would quadruple our current oil reserves.
But the "No-We-Can't" Left in Congress -- as they're prone to do -- said no, and Americans will pay the price.
 

louixo

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
Sorry about the double entry. I was trying to edit it, and for some reason it posted by itself. Anyway read the link.
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
If we quadrupled the US oil reserves, where would we store it? Right now we're storing about 570 million barrels in salt caverns along the Gulf of Mexico that can hold up to 700 million barrels.

The US has the largest deposits of oil shale in the worlds. But, just so you know, the oil in the shale isn't oil, the shale isn't even shale, for that matter. The oil shale is kerogen, not crude, which is kind of a waxy crude oil precursor that, when heated to specific temperatures, will put out natural gas and a kind of synthetic crude oil. Shale oil requires a lot more processing (more expensive) than crude oil, and the environmental issues associated with mining and processing it are quite significant. Massive land use (landscape destruction, utterly), waste disposal, water use and disposal of the waste water, and significant air pollution, among others. The pollution associated with coal and strip mining pale in comparison to that of shale oil mining. It's astoundingly destructive. If it was so easy, as many like to make it out to be, we'd already be doing it. We'd have already done it.

Before we start stripping up the land of Colorado, the Dakotas and Wyoming for shale oil, we should be drilling offshore and in Alaska like there's no tomorrow. I think we'll eventually have to go after the shale oil, but hopefully by then there will be a more efficient way of getting at it than digging half a mile deep spread over several million square miles.
 

Vinnie T

Seasoned Expediter
Before we start stripping up the land of Colorado, the Dakotas and Wyoming for shale oil, we should be drilling offshore and in Alaska like there's no tomorrow. I think we'll eventually have to go after the shale oil, but hopefully by then there will be a more efficient way of getting at it than digging half a mile deep spread over several million square miles.

AMWAR will only supply the US 5 to maybe 10% of it's current consumption. We will still rely on 90% foriegn oil. Not only will it take 10 yeares to get it into market, but it really won't do much to curb prices or really make a difference 10 years from now. The only chance we have is to develop our alternative technologies for passanger vehicles..
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
Well, I for one believe that any percentage of reliance on foreign oil is too much, but not let's get carried away. We've never had anywhere near a 90% reliance on foreign oil. Right now, as of the end of first quarter 08, we import 57.8% of the oil we consume, down from a little over 58% a year ago. Oil would begin flowing from Anwar by 2013, not 2018, at an initial rate of about 800,000 barrels a day, then moving up to between 1.3 and 1.5 million barrels by 2018. That's a significant percentage, enough to get us down to about 50% from 58%. Add to that drilling in off the coasts and foreign oil reliance will be further reduced. Hopefully by the time we get to that point, certainly by the point where we'd need to go after shale oil, 20 or 30 years from now, we'll have a better handle on alternative energies.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
And?? What good would it do to drill our own oil? The price per barrel isn't going to magically drop. Everyone seems to think that having our own oil will make a difference....
NOTE: Canada...They are self-reliant and they pay as much as we do per barrel....

Unless North America disconnects from the world price and estabishes it's own price per barrel...we could pump oil out of our butts...it won't matter.
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
The difference it will make is not in the pump price, but it gets our short hairs out of the grips of the Middle East.

Stuff that may shock some people:
The US is the world's third highest producer of crude oil. In 2006 Russia and Saudi Arabia, the world’s top two oil-producing nations, produced 9.3 and 9.2 million barrels of crude oil a day, while the United States produced 5.1 million barrels per day.

In 1960, the United States produced roughly 34 percent of the world’s crude oil supply. By 2006, the U.S. share of world oil production had dropped to less than 7 percent. This is due both to the decrease in oil production in the United States, which peaked at 9.6 million barrels per day in 1970, and the increase in total world output, which has more than tripled since 1960.

The United States was the world’s leading producer of crude oil until 1973; from 1974 to 1991, the former Soviet Union was the leader. Beginning in 1992, Saudi Arabia was the top producer of oil until 2006, when Russia overtook Saudi Arabia to again become the top producer of crude oil. As recently as 1998, the United States was the second-highest crude oil–producing nation.

Until 1993, the United States produced more crude oil than it imported. Currently, the United States imports roughly 60% of its total crude oil supply. In 2005, the top four foreign sources of crude oil, in decreasing order, were Canada, Mexico, Saudi Arabia, and Venezuela. Roughly 40 percent of U.S. crude oil imports came from North and South America.

Within the United States, Texas, Alaska, and California are the top three crude oil-producing states. Together these three states account for half of the United States’ oil production.

Numbers for March 2008 show that of all of the crude oil that the United States imports, 69% of it comes from just five countries. Total crude oil imports averaged 9.385 million barrels per day in March, which is a decrease of (0.221) million barrels per day from February 2008.

US imports in millions of barrels per day:
Canada 1.727
Saudi Arabia 1.535
Mexico 1.232
Nigeria 1.138
Venezuela .858
Iraq .773
Angola .335
Algeria .232
Ecuador .231
Brazil .188
Kuwait .178
Colombia .120
Russia .108
Chad .101
United Kingdom .095
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Ya know IF this war IS all about the OIL....I don't think the government has much faith on the people of the U.S.

I think if the supply was temperarily interupted Americans would respond and cut back, and supported their government as like in the great wars with metal collection...and all that stuff...
As Pres I would of banned all RV travel except to get to destination and then park it...All private aircraft would be grounded...execs can take first class and support our airlines. Many things to save millions of gallons.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
OVM, there are better solutions.

But first remember that all wars are fought with the result of two things (in reality), technology advancement and energy. The social implications are truly the reason we go to war but fighting is another matter.

If we had or will have a president that had some b*lls, he/she would simply do the following;

Shift research at NASA from worrying about what life was on Mars to how to make syn gas and start setting up the plants.

Remember that speculation is driven by emotion more than numbers and if the speculators see that we are going to produce gas and oil products from other sources, they know the demand will drop and so will the price.

We dump billions into NASA and the return has been marginal. Sure we can grow Soybeans in space but in reality we should be using this resource for the betterment of the country, not the betterment of the world.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Between Iraq and NASA..theres a whack of bucks for technology. This is insane just how quiet everyone on The Hill are right now.
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
The return from NASA has been marginal? We dump billion of dollars into NASA and Iraq?

In the 50 year history of NASA, from 1958 to 2007, NASA's total budget amounts to $419.420 billion dollars, an average of $8.559 billion per year. NASA's FY 2008 budget of $17.3 billion represents about 0.6% of the $2.9 trillion federal budget. The Iraq War by comparison costs roughly $474 billion.

The NASA budget is a drop in the bucket. The federal budget for the Department of Agriculture is $65 billion, with Food Stamps alone being more than the NASA budget at $20 billion. The Department of Labor has a $35 billion budget. The Department of Transportation's budget is around $45 billion. Health and Human Services is $365 billion! The state of Michigan has a $40 billion budget. Talk about a marginal return. Ohio and Pennsylvania also have budgets of about $40 billion. California is $120 billion.


To say the returns from NASA has been marginal is, quite frankly, laughable. It's not NASA's job to go out and create one specific technology, like synthetic gas, and then go, "Here, this is what you got for your money," But, rather, to achieve specific goals by developing the technology to get it done. It's the developed technology that NASA returns, and does so tenfold. Likely, NASA's budget isn't nearly enough to make a dent in what it's gonna take to develop synthetic gas. If all that money were diverted from NASA into alternative fuels, countless technological advances that may have come out of NASA would not happen, and we'd still not have synthetic gas.

Forget about the fact that the one thing that separates humans from fern is the, "What's over the next hill?" curiosity that we have, and space exploration is important for the explorer deeply embedded in us which NASA contributes to, but NASA also contributes to the technological advancement of everyday life as much as, probably more than, anything else. NASA also fires the imagination of our youth and drives them to want to do more, to do something new. What's that worth?

Forty years ago, NASA engineers didn't wake up one Monday morning and say, "Gee, I think I'll work on microchip technology that, 30 years downstream, will lead to digital cameras." But that's what happened. The technological gains that come out of research arise from a kind of ripple effect... advance on top of advance, technology growing out of technology.

I can't even begin to list all of the technological paybacks we have gotten from NASA. The list would be too long. Some of the technologies were developed directly by NASA or under direct contract (like the thermal window coverings I have on my Sprinter, made under a contract from NASA by an Italian company for the shuttle, rovers and landers), some were developed under contracts for specific projects, and some where technological advances were made from existing or emerging technologies.

Like cordless power tools. Black and Decker invented cordless power tools, but they were no where near up to the task of drilling on the moon. Astronauts needed a way to drill down beneath the moon's surface, as much as 10 feet, to collect core samples. Like everything else that went to the moon, this drill had to be small, lightweight and battery-powered. To develop the drill technologies necessary, NASA worked with Black and Decker.

Several key technological advances made the battery powered drill possible - a computer program developed by NASA was used to design the drill's motor to use as little power as possible, composite materials developed by NASA were used in construction, and battery technology developed for Mercury and Apollo was advanced and applied to the drill's battery. That computer program, the composites and the battery technology, along with the knowledge and experience gained in developing the drill, provided a strong technology base for developing battery powered tools and appliances that we now use every day.

In the 1950's NASA pioneered the technology that made satellite TV a part of our everyday lives. Now we can watch events from around the globe as they happen, not to mention being able to watch live TV broadcast from the Mars.

The next time you reach for your cell phone, thank NASA. There's very little inside a cell phone that can't be traced directly back to NASA. Need an MRI? Thank NASA. Ever been awaken to the annoying scream of a smoke detector, or a CO2 detector? Ever been warned of a hurricane, or put on polarized sunglasses? NASA. Every windshield in North America has a NASA developed UV coating embedded within the glass (which is why those sunglasses that lighten and darken automatically don't work in a vehicle, BTW).

In the 1980's
NASA's Ames Research Center was developing coatings to protect aerospace equipment from harsh environments of flight.What they came up with was a coating that allows your polarized sunglasses to have scratch resistant lenses. NASA didn't set out to develop scratch resistance lenses, or polarization for your sunglasses, but that's what we got.

The LED's on your tail lights were developed by NASA for experiments with plants on the shuttle. Now LED probes are being used to treat patients with brain tumors. Laser surgery, prosthetic limbs, body imaging, even infrared thermometers, it's a NASA thing. High power solid state transmitters, GPS tracking, global communications, ultrasound scanners, automatic insulin pump, portable x-ray device, invisible braces, gasoline vapor recovery, self-locking fasteners, computer simulators and training, Dustbusters, shock-absorbing helmets, home security systems, smoke detectors, flat panel televisions, high-density batteries, trash compactors, food packaging and freeze-dried technology, cool sportswear, sports bras, hair styling appliances, fogless ski goggles, self-adjusting sunglasses, composite golf clubs, hang gliders, art preservation, quartz crystal timing equipment, advanced keyboards, customer service software, database management system, laser surveying, aircraft controls, collision avoidance, lightweight compact disc, design graphics and microcomputers, Doppler radar, Earth imaging, fuel cells and electric cars. And the list goes on...

Even those unmoved by human exploration see everyday advances that permeate our lives. How can one look at all that and not believe them as being well worth NASA's budget. The return from NASA has been marginal? Really?

 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
That being said.....the $17 billion is already being used to advance our way of life... When you look at the BIG picture thats not alot of money.
 
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