but only if you are an elementary school student and a religion other than Christianity.
Student allowed to bring religious knife to class
Student allowed to bring religious knife to class
Concealed carry in schools
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Slo-Ride
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Here is a good start if your serious. No idea who started this petition yet. Haven't had time to look into it.. Quick glance makes it look like a good deal.
http://www.livetrucking.com/a-petit...ermit-for-truckers-thats-valid-in-all-states/
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Why not, are not you guys important??
It's not the government that prevents us from carrying, it's the insurance companies. They do not want any possible liability for a shooting [esp if it goes wrong], so they require "No firearms" rules of the businesses they insure. Or they simply exclude any firearms related claims from coverage, with the same result. The businesses insured are our customers, which means we can't enter their property with weapons, so a federal law allowing us to carry would be worthless: what do you do with the weapon when you are picking up & delivering?
Nobody is as important as the insurance carriers, they rule everything.
Slo-Ride
Veteran Expediter
Cheri this has nothing to do with policy of a private business...
Like I said I haven't researched much of this and I don't even know who started it.. As far as what ya do with it when you enter shipper,,You keep it concealed just as the permit requires.
Also if weapon is drawn and used some insurance policy would be the last thing on my mind.
Like I said I haven't researched much of this and I don't even know who started it.. As far as what ya do with it when you enter shipper,,You keep it concealed just as the permit requires.
Also if weapon is drawn and used some insurance policy would be the last thing on my mind.
I think it has everything to do with the policies of private business, because we are required to abide by those policies when on their property, and we cannot do our job without entering their property. Will you "keep it concealed" as you pass the sign that prohibits it from the premises?
Insurance may be the last thing on your mind if a weapon is drawn, used, [or maybe just discovered] while you are on a customer's site, but you can bet it will be one of the most important considerations in the aftermath of any such incident.
I'd like to be able to carry, because I go to dangerous places, alone, in the middle of the night, but I just can't see how to get around the issue of prohibitions on private property.
Insurance may be the last thing on your mind if a weapon is drawn, used, [or maybe just discovered] while you are on a customer's site, but you can bet it will be one of the most important considerations in the aftermath of any such incident.
I'd like to be able to carry, because I go to dangerous places, alone, in the middle of the night, but I just can't see how to get around the issue of prohibitions on private property.
Unless one has to pass through a metal detector or submit to TSA style molestation a concealed weapon can be carried anywhere at any time with no one other than the carrier knowing of it's presence. Should it become known, due to necessity forcing it to be seen, insurance and other factors are going to be of little importance compared to remaining alive.
That said, it is still a foolish idea and extremely hypocritical to allow a student to carry a weapon at school in the name of religion when the same action by any other student would result in expulsion.
That said, it is still a foolish idea and extremely hypocritical to allow a student to carry a weapon at school in the name of religion when the same action by any other student would result in expulsion.
Excellent perception skills. Except for the fact I never said anything one way or the other about wanting the law changed. Oh, and I never said I was going to break the law. Oops, I never said I was going to sneak a gun into any particular area, forbidden or otherwise. Hey, other than those things you got it though. What I did point out is that properly concealed means concealed and as a result nobody would ever know any difference.
To think that a Kirpan is a weapon is about as silly (read: ignorant) as claiming the wearing of the Christian Cross is the promoting of an instrument of torture and death.
When was the last time you heard of someone, in or out of school, drawing a Kirpan and using it as a weapon? The answer is never. The religion expressly forbids using it as a weapon. You're far more likely to be stabbed by a compass in math class, or a pair of scissors in art class, or a Cross in Sunday School, than you are with a Kirpan anywhere.
Unless one has to pass through a metal detector or submit to TSA style molestation a concealed weapon can be carried anywhere at any time with no one other than the carrier knowing of it's presence. Should it become known, due to necessity forcing it to be seen, insurance and other factors are going to be of little importance compared to remaining alive.
So, 'Management reserves the right" is a policy that you support when you agree with their ideology, [no gays] but ignore when you don't [no guns]?
That said, it is still a foolish idea and extremely hypocritical to allow a student to carry a weapon at school in the name of religion when the same action by any other student would result in expulsion.
A Kirpan is an important part of a long standing and deeply held belief of the Sikh religion. It should be honored by anyone who values freedom of religious expression. That might need reevaluated if Sikhs begin using them as actual weapons, but so far, not even the children among them have dishonored their tradition. They have every right to be proud.
I get it now. An actual potentially deadly weapon is perfectly fine for a child to possess and bring to school every day but don't dare let a child have a picture of a historically significant weapon or a pop tart bitten into the shape of a gun. We'll expel them for that. Zero tolerance. That's what they call it I believe.
The only ignorance is suggesting it is not a weapon. Is it a knife or not? Even if it isn't sharpened does it not come to a curved pointed tip? What would a slashing motion to someone's throat do? What would swinging it into someone's back or arm like an ice hook do? Yes, a pencil is potentially a deadly weapon. Eyeglasses can become a suitable deadly weapon. In the right or wrong hands there are a multitude of deadly weapons, a kirpan among them. The recognition of ignorance is correct. The recognition of the ignorant not so much.