Climate change lies

Turtle

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I don't know what's worse, people lying to get their way, and blatantly stating the ends justify the means, or people who think Climate Change is a left-right political issue, or, the people who think all academics are liberal progressives.
 

davekc

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There has always been "climate change". Been going on for thousands of years. What is debatable and yet to be proven is whether it is man made. Our current administration wants everyone to believe that all the evidence says it is absolutely fact. Not the case. Up to this point they are unproven theories at best.
Democrats have to think they are true because that is where they put a large percentage of their investment dollars. Of course their are happy to invest your money for you whether you like it or not.
 
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Turtle

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Climate change wasn't a left-right issue until the left decided to politicize the weather.
Actually, funny enough, it was the right that politicized it. The views on climate change, that the climate was changing but to what extent it was man-made was uncertain, were virtually identical across both political parties, right up until the Kyoto Protocol negotiation where policymakers (both liberals and conservatives) around the world began looking for solutions to global warming. Kyoto occurred on the incredibly left-right polarizing watch of Bill Clinton, and republicans were dead-set against whatever Clinton was for, didn't matter what it was. Clinton made Al Gore the point man on it, and even today there are some people who read or hear global warming, and they immediately think "Al Gore!", conditioned not unlike Pavlov's Dog. Al Gore could hold a press conference today and state the sky is blue and the earth is round and Republicans would come out with a rebuttal.

Climate change and global warming have become a litmus test for the republican party, no different than being anti-abortion (you cannot be a conservative republican unless you are anti-abortion), or in favor of strict immigration laws (anything less and you can't qualify for conservatism. You must deny that man has anything whatsoever, on even a miniscule level, with climate change, or you can't be in the club. The fact that Obama believes in climate change only strengthens the republican resolve, because to be a conservative republican you have to be totally against whatever Obama is for. If Obama had come out against climate change, whoo-wee that would have created quite a conundrum.

The left, of course, responded in kind (Newton's Laws of Motion), going all-in to balance the all-in of the right, saying yes yes, yes to everything the republicans say no, no, no to.

On the other hand, the independents, and the people who can think for themselves realize that the weather couldn't care less if you are left or right, and they tend to look at the evidence and at the predictions of the theories. Not just one or two of the predictions of one or two of the theories, but at all of them. Neither the left nor the right can do that. But it was most definitely the right that first politicized it, because of their intense dislike for Clinton-Gore.
 

aristotle

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The left saw political advantage in championing climate change legislation. During the 1990's President Bill Clinton signed the Kyoto Protocol, an international treaty in effect, without the advice and consent of the US Senate. Understand treaties trump the Constitution and always require Senate approval. The Senate never ratified the treaty.

The Kyoto Protocols, if approved by the Senate, would have been legally binding and administered by the United Nations. In 1997, the US Senate voted 95-0 to show the sense of the Senate was against the Protocols as drawn. See Byrd-Hagel Resolution.
 

Turtle

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What political advantage, exactly, did Clinton see in championing climate change legislation? Because, again, prior to 1997, there was virtually no political divide on climate issues.

It wasn't any kind of domestic politics, it was international politics. Long before he signed it, he had already stated that he would sign it, as a first step to keep the discussions and the progress moving forward, especially in light of the fact that it was free market based and not cap and trade based (which is eventually became, anyway), but that he wouldn't present it to the Senate for ratification unless and until the developing nations are under the same goals as the industrialized nations.

The Byrd-Hagel Resolution was voted on in July of 1997, and the Kyoto Protocol meetings didn't happen until December of 1997, where the broad outlines of the protocols were agreed upon. The Byrd-Hagel Resolution wasn't about partisan politics, it was about disapproving of any international agreement that (A) did not require developing countries to make emission reductions (as Clinton already stated) and (B) "would seriously harm the economy of the United States" because the treaty would exempt, in one way or another, about 80% of the world's population, including China and India. Clinton refused to submit the treaty to the Senate, as did Bush, and thus far Obama has also refused, all for the same reasons.

But the fact that Clinton signed it was all the Republicans needed to take full political advantage. They completely dismissed his comments and reservations about the Protocol, such as it's not what the US wants, and that it's only a first step. They completely ignored Gore's comments of, "As we said from the very beginning, we will not submit this agreement for ratification until key developing nations participate in this effort. This is a global problem that will require a global solution." All that mattered to the Republicans was that Clinton signed it, dismissing totally that he did so as leverage against the EU, Russia, China and India. For the Republicans, it was domestic politics, one hundred percent.

Remember, things between the Clinton left and the Republican right were already rather polarized, and this all took place in the midst of the Paula Jones lawsuit, where the Supreme Court ruled in May of 1997 against Clinton that her lawsuit against a sitting president could proceed, and immediately after the Kyoto meetings is when the Lewinski scandal broke. After that, whatever Clinton wanted, the right wanted the opposite, and a stance on climate change quickly became incorporated into the agenda of the right.
 

Tennesseahawk

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Man made climate change, if there is any, has a lot to do with population. There's a problem that no one will dare tackle in public.
 

davekc

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They have but are largely ignored except for selling us cheap solar panels because they know we will buy them. Catering to a new manufactured religion can be profitable.
 

cheri1122

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If you're the left it's ok if you lie about climate change.

Academics "Prove" It's Okay To Lie About Climate Change - Kevin Glass

And the paper to be presented.

Two academics [out of many thousands] write a paper suggesting a tactic, and that constitutes "proof"? [The quote marks ought to be a clue, eh?]
Just like the other article cited from the same site, [different blog author] claiming 'ATF agents lose guns, kids find them" where the facts don't agree with the sensational headline: one weapon was found by kids. That's bad, yes, but when facts 'need' to be sensationalized, it's generally because they're not worthy of the outrage when presented without it.
The Enquirer understood: sensationalism sells, but the truth, not so much. :rolleyes:

Information Manipulation and Climate Agreements by Fuhai Hong, Xiaojian Zhao :: SSRN
 
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