The only "fair share" is an equal share. ONE RATE paid by all. Otherwise it is not fair. When money is taken from the "rich" and "given" to the poor it is called redistribution of wealth.
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There are more poor because there are fewer jobs that provide a living wage, and fewer opportunities for higher education, and our legislative representatives have been bought and paid for by those who profit from the current status quo.
I don't accept that people don't want to work - unless it's qualified with "for wages that keep them in poverty with little to no chance of improving their lives". And I don't blame them at all - being poor/broke just sucks. Big time.
There are PLENTY of good paying jobs. Plenty of opportunities for education. People are too lazy to go after them. I know SEVERAL people, right now as we speak, who are opening up two new businesses. In THIS economy. They have the GUMPTION to go for it.
I hunted today with the chief new business loan officer at our bank. He is EXCITED about all the new start ups he is seeing. Guess it is all about who you look at, the winners or losers.
You got one thing right, our politicians ARE bought and paid for and they LOVE IT! They are out ONLY for their own power, glory and enrichment. From Obama on down.
I hunted today with the chief new business loan officer at our bank. He is EXCITED about all the new start ups he is seeing. Guess it is all about who you look at, the winners or losers.
You got one thing right, our politicians ARE bought and paid for and they LOVE IT! They are out ONLY for their own power, glory and enrichment. From Obama on down.
Well, stockholders and the like have been around since the 30's. What was made then and what we see now are basically the same. Same with the McDonalds guy. The value of the job 20 years later hasn't changed. Should a Big Mac go to $10 because he has been there 20 years? Not going to happen. Even free discounted education can be had through pell grants and a host of other programs that the taxpayers actually pick up. Cost of living is actually the same if you take the cost of x-boxes, flat screen tv's, cell phones (and those are free to the poor) and a host of other conveniences out of the picture. The standard of living is significantly higher today than years past. Want a taste of poor, one needs to step outside of the US.
Only then will someone understand what poor really is. That is why I have limited sympathy for the cry babies here in the US. Help them out for a short period of time and that is it.
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The smart approach would be to find the cause of their needing help & eliminate it, IMO.
Of course there will be some who are beyond help: lazy, stupid, whatever. But they aren't the majority. Blaming the unemployed is easy, but it won't fix the problem.
The smart approach is for THEM to find out why they are not succeeding and THEY help themselves and eliminate it. It's their life, THEY should take charge of it. Not my problem.
There is a disparity between a CEO and a hourly worker. No doubt about it. The problem is there isn't enough of them to have any impact. Remember, those millionaires represent only one percent of the population. You could take every penny they had and it would do nothing.
We are moving into a global economy. It is that global economy that will determine ones worth. Won't be anyone in the US setting that standard. Just a reality that we have to realize.
As for education, there are many that are going for next to nothing. Have a daughter attending as well. Heck, be illegal and your in.
Lot of programs really dump the price if you are going for a needed profession. Some jobs, including McDonalds help pay tuition costs. I believe Walmart is another.
We are moving into a global economy. It is that global economy that will determine ones worth. Won't be anyone in the US setting that standard. Just a reality that we have to realize.
As for education, there are many that are going for next to nothing. Have a daughter attending as well. Heck, be illegal and your in.
Lot of programs really dump the price if you are going for a needed profession. Some jobs, including McDonalds help pay tuition costs. I believe Walmart is another.
First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.
Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.
Yep. Not your problem.
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.
Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.
Yep. Not your problem.
Maverick
Seasoned Expediter
Wow. All valid points, but we're talking about two sets of people here...methinks. Both sets are covered, but should remain in two separate camps IMHO.
There certainly are deadbeats, and those drawing from the trough for nothing. They've been here all the while and the numbers grow, as others flock to the free ride program. Matter of fact, I would call it a stampede.
The other camp is the one Cheri speaks of. They are persons whom held good jobs that were outsourced, done away with, or downsized. I personally know people who lost they're job for all the wrong reasons as well......conflict with supervisor, political correctness, and just plain old work force politics. These people have virtually no chance of getting another job in this market, or at least one that pays anything.
Two years ago I was running a melt department at a local foundry in a salaried position. That work ran out and position was no longer needed. We went from pouring 60 ton a night, down to 10 ton in less than a year. Spent 9 months trying to find something even close to what I was making and it was not even a whisper. Finally took a job for 8.50 as a security guard?
That was a 60% reduction in pay and the only reason we made it was due to spending discipline and living within our means DURING the time the good money was coming in.
Both problems are real, but different in the full scope of things. I try not to lump the two scenarios together, as they are quite different.
There certainly are deadbeats, and those drawing from the trough for nothing. They've been here all the while and the numbers grow, as others flock to the free ride program. Matter of fact, I would call it a stampede.
The other camp is the one Cheri speaks of. They are persons whom held good jobs that were outsourced, done away with, or downsized. I personally know people who lost they're job for all the wrong reasons as well......conflict with supervisor, political correctness, and just plain old work force politics. These people have virtually no chance of getting another job in this market, or at least one that pays anything.
Two years ago I was running a melt department at a local foundry in a salaried position. That work ran out and position was no longer needed. We went from pouring 60 ton a night, down to 10 ton in less than a year. Spent 9 months trying to find something even close to what I was making and it was not even a whisper. Finally took a job for 8.50 as a security guard?
That was a 60% reduction in pay and the only reason we made it was due to spending discipline and living within our means DURING the time the good money was coming in.
Both problems are real, but different in the full scope of things. I try not to lump the two scenarios together, as they are quite different.
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Who came for them? That is all there is in government.
MY problem is MY LIFE! I feed my wife and my self. I house my wife and my self. I provide medical care (until Obama Care makes that impossible) for my wife and my self. Everyone other able bodied person should do the same.
By the way, that Marxist IN Chief IS coming after me and every other freedom loving person. He has SAID he is. There will be MANY standing in his way, myself included. Are YOU willing to take up arms to defend the Constitution? I did before and will again. How about it? Imagine, no Bill of Rights. No Constitution and it was the Obama bums that did it.
There is a disparity between a CEO and a hourly worker.
and it's risen by about 100 times in the last couple decades - that's just freakin GREED.
No doubt about it. The problem is there isn't enough of them to have any impact.
Nope. But what if the wages at the bottom went up [because those at the top were kept to a reasonable standard, like maybe 50 times the bottom pay] so the workers moved up into a higher tax bracket and kicked more back to Uncle Sugar - wouldn't that have an impact?
Remember, those millionaires represent only one percent of the population. You could take every penny they had and it would do nothing.
Sure it would: it'd make for some awesome political cartoons, lol.
We are moving into a global economy. It is that global economy that will determine ones worth. Won't be anyone in the US setting that standard. Just a reality that we have to realize.
As for education, there are many that are going for next to nothing. Have a daughter attending as well. Heck, be illegal and your in.
Lot of programs really dump the price if you are going for a needed profession. Some jobs, including McDonalds help pay tuition costs. I believe Walmart is another.
We're searching [and researching] everywhere - but it's a little too late to go for illegal, sigh.
Not even a dent. Just not enough "rich" people for that to work short of giving everyone a 10 cent per hour wage increase.
Just take the wealth of the top 2 percent and weigh that against the 98 percent.
They are trying the 75 percent tax on the weathy in France and we see how that is going. Same problem.
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Aristotle: it's not meant to be taken literally - it's a warning: when injustice doesn't bother you because it doesn't affect you, look out, because the perpetrators of said injustice may well focus on you next.
Or maybe just because you know in your heart that it's the right thing to do.
Or maybe just because you know in your heart that it's the right thing to do.
I am familiar with the quote, its meaning and origin. I first read the quote several decades ago in junior high school.
AMonger
Veteran Expediter
To expand on a point I made a few days ago, if you confiscated all the money from all those we call "the rich"--not just increased their taxes, but actually confiscated every penny they had--and have it to all those we call "the poor," in a few years, most of the rich would be rich again, and most of the poor would be poor again.
The rich are rich for a reason, and the poor are poor for a reason.
Why?
As Dave noted, if the value of the job hasn't changed, there can be no justification for artificially inflating it's value, other than charity, a gift. The market, not longevity, sets the value of the job. If longevity made a difference, then you and I both would be getting paid more per mile than the people who are in this business less than a year.
Actually they did. 32 years ago when I first got into restaurant management, some of the basic tenets included hiring primarily part-time employees and carefully monitoring their "clocked-in" hours to keep their hours below a certain number, to reduce or avoid paying out benefits, and using flexible scheduling to minimize labor costs. All hiring and scheduling was done with these principles as the primary factors. My first job in high school was also subject to the same principles, so it wasn't a new thing 32 years ago, and it wasn't restricted to the restaurant industry.
That much is very true. For decades we had a manufacturing-based economy where higher paying jobs were plentiful. We've moved to a service-based economy which doesn't pay as well as manufacturing. What got us from manufacturing to service is largely due to Congress giving large monetary incentives to move manufacturing offshore, thereby taking higher paying jobs with it. Of course, the reason for moving those jobs offshore is because it became far cheaper to produce the manufactured goods using cheaper labor, in no small part because unions demanded more pay for a job that didn't increase in value, mainly because of longevity in the workplace.
If you could buy an item for $300 at one store, and the same exact item at another store for $100, which store are you going to buy it from? More than likely, all other things being equal, the $100 store. You're not going to pay more for something than you have to, and neither will employers.
And yet people seek out and continue to stay on government assistance, thereby keeping them in poverty with no chance of improving their lives. People will generally take the path of least resistance, and the government makes it very easy to get assistance. Most people, when faced between the choice of working to pay for food, clothing and shelter, or getting free food, clothing and shelter, will opt for free and not having to work for it. It's human nature, and it's reflected in the number of people receiving easy-to-obtain assistance.
Back in the days I got started in working for a living, McDonald's was a starting job. It wasn't necessarily where you went to make a career. Not unless you had a view of climbing the ladder and becoming management, anyway. If this guy is 20 years at McDonald's and still at minimum wage, there's a reason for that even there. You have to possess absolutely no ambition whatsoever to make that happen. Long before now a person with any "drive" would have sought greener pastures elsewhere.
Today, it's still a starting job. You come in just out of school, learn how to work, make a bit of money, get a couple of skills and make some decisions. If working Micky D's is for you, you consider going to Hamburger U and climb the corporate ladder. If on the other hand, you reach a point where looking at another quarter-pounder is enough to blight your day, you take your experience to some other outfit-- now at least you have experience working, so the next employer can see that you know how to set an alarm clock and show up on time, if nothing else. If you're gonna spend twenty years behind the counter as a beginning-wage employee--- please--- don't tell us about it.
Today, it's still a starting job. You come in just out of school, learn how to work, make a bit of money, get a couple of skills and make some decisions. If working Micky D's is for you, you consider going to Hamburger U and climb the corporate ladder. If on the other hand, you reach a point where looking at another quarter-pounder is enough to blight your day, you take your experience to some other outfit-- now at least you have experience working, so the next employer can see that you know how to set an alarm clock and show up on time, if nothing else. If you're gonna spend twenty years behind the counter as a beginning-wage employee--- please--- don't tell us about it.
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piattteam
Active Expediter
Cheri, I think we should cut ALL foreign aid- ALL!!
Now, I think I have a solution to a lot of the entitlement issue-and, it resolves another issue we tax payers are paying for.
1st, remove ALL illegal aliens, forcibly if necessary. This would open up a tremendous number of jobs (and we'd stop being forced to "help" this group).
2nd, these newly vacated jobs are filled from the welfare list. I imagine you'll hit me with the childcare issue here. Well, some of those from the welfare list would be used as childcare workers.
If you refuse to take a job- off the assistance.
Now, I think I have a solution to a lot of the entitlement issue-and, it resolves another issue we tax payers are paying for.
1st, remove ALL illegal aliens, forcibly if necessary. This would open up a tremendous number of jobs (and we'd stop being forced to "help" this group).
2nd, these newly vacated jobs are filled from the welfare list. I imagine you'll hit me with the childcare issue here. Well, some of those from the welfare list would be used as childcare workers.
If you refuse to take a job- off the assistance.