Child Preachers

EnglishLady

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Interesting article .... IMO of course lol



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Video - BBC News - The curious allure of child preachers

The curious allure of child preachers

An 11-year-old boy in the US has been ordained as a minister in his family's church, and also preaches at a number of local churches. He is the latest in a long history of American child preachers - so what is the appeal?

Ezekiel Stoddard's head pops up only just above the lectern as he stands to deliver his sermon.

He turns the pages of his notes with a flick of the hand and a flourish, and speaks quickly and insistently, punctuating his words with a regular "Amen" or "Hallelujah", as he hops from verse to verse.

He's 11 years old, but dressed like a gentleman.

"Are you ready?" he says a few minutes in, looking up at the crowd of eager faces. "I said 'Are you ready?'"

He repeats the question five times, before booming: "Are you ready for the resurrection of Christ?"

And with that his whirlwind of a sermon is over.

But the show goes on. Ezekiel moves over to join his older sister Corrine, 15, and brothers Hezekiah, 13, and Micah, seven, who - together with 10-year-old Jasmine - form the gospel group, God's Blessings, No Chains Holding Me Down.

Standing in line, in order of height, they sing, swing, and click their fingers.

It's fun, catchy, foot-tapping stuff, and the congregation at Christ Centered Missionary Baptist Church, in the east of Washington, DC, sway and clap to the beat.

Ezekiel is the frontman and, from time to time, breaks into a little rap
Then the blessings begin.

One by one, members of the congregation - anything up to seven times Ezekiel's age - bend down to his height, and whisper into his ear. Ezekiel commands the devil to leave, or calls for healing.

One woman hunches down and begins to sob for a few minutes, before clenching her fist and summoning the strength to get back up.

"He's a remarkable young man," says Rev Hercules S Jones, who invited Ezekiel to his church to preach. "When he delivers the gospel, it's inspiring."

And it brings in the crowds. When Rev Jones asks how many are visiting this week, around one-third of hands shoot up.

"I came to see him and I really loved it," smiles 39-year-old Raquel Hall. "I thought he was extraordinary."

"He is awesome," says Daisy Reed, a deaconess at the church, who brought three friends from her fitness class along, especially to see him.

"He's not showing any fear at all. He's just getting up there and doing what he has to do, being led by the Holy Spirit

Ezekiel's mother and stepfather are both pastors, and two years ago set up their own church with white-painted brick walls, red curtains, flowers, and a sound-system so loud you can feel it pulse inside your chest.

And it was there, in the Fullness of Time Church in Capitol Heights, Maryland, that earlier this year, Ezekiel was ordained as a minister, and his brother, Hezekiah, a deacon.

"It was wonderful," says 13-year-old Hezekiah. "Everybody was applauding us, and when we got presented to the crowd, the whole crowd stood up and started rattling and clapping."

Micah, just seven years old, already has plans to follow in his brothers' footsteps.

"I started a sermon at home, and I typed it, and I think it's going to be good," he says in a little voice, adding that he will wait until he is 10 or 11 to deliver it.

The US is by no means the only country with child preachers - there is a thriving market for them in Brazil, for example, and Indonesia even has a controversial TV show where young Islamic preachers compete.

The phenomenon is most likely to crop up among denominations which emphasise the power of the Holy Spirit and encourage lay participation, says Edith Blumhofer, an expert on the history of Christianity, based at Wheaten College in Illinois.

It is also likely to arise, she says, among sections of the population otherwise regarded as at the margins of society.

The 1920s and 1930s were the heyday for child preachers - historically-speaking we are "in a bit of a lull" right now, says Ted Lavigne, a retired minister, who is writing a book on the subject.

Lavigne has discovered about 500 examples so far, dating back as far as the 1700s. A handful of them are British child preachers from the late 1890s and early 1900s - but the vast majority are American.

"There is a dynamism to religion in America that I think is unmatched anywhere in the world - we are an incurably religious people," says Randall Balmer, chair of the religion department at Dartmouth College.

"I think the appeal of a child preacher is frankly the novelty of it," he says. "It's a kind of a carnival side-show."

Because the First Amendment bars state intervention in religion, this has created a kind of "marketplace of religion" in the US, which encourages popularism and entrepreneurialism, says Balmer.

"If you have a sort of gimmick or stunt, then you have an advantage."

There is very little regulation of US churches - just about anyone can establish a church and set their own rules.

Ezekiel's family's church is non-denominational, which gives them even more independence as they do not have to conform to any overarching rules on, for example, ordination.

But it is not difficult to find sceptics who say children this age are too young to be ordained, and too young to be preaching - and they point to cases where things have gone wrong.

Perhaps the most dramatic is that of Marjoe Gortner, the one-time child preacher, who decades later revealed he had never believed, and did it, first under pressure from his parents, and in later life, to make money.

A documentary film on his story was deemed too controversial to show in the southern Bible Belt when it came out in 1972

One of the most famous child preachers ever was a girl - Uldine Utley - who was a massive hit in the 1920s, travelling across the country preaching to crowds of thousands, before disappearing from public view, and eventually ending up in a mental institution.

"As an adult she really struggled - she never had the same appeal," says Edith Blumhofer.

Both women and children were often seen as "empty vessels" through which the word of God would be transmitted in a direct, unfiltered way, says Blumhofer.

"In these contexts, there is a certain purity associated with childhood... when she grew up, she was less interesting."

Ezekiel's family is acutely aware of the criticisms, and ready with their rebuttals - though sometimes they still sting.

"Does it hurt when people say something about my child? Because I'm a mum first, it really does," says Pastor Adrienne Smith.

But those who criticise Ezekiel have not met him, she says pointedly - they are "stereotyping" him "because of past histories".

She says her children are well-rounded, and do lots of "kids' stuff" too - like swimming, tennis, and horse riding. Ezekiel loves to play outside chasing lizards and grasshoppers.

He also spends up to two hours each day reading the bible. Sometimes Pastor Smith wonders where her son is, and finds him tucked away in a room on his own with the Bible, looking serious.

The children are home-schooled by their mother - the local public schools were too rough, she says, and not good learning environments.

Adrienne knows about the rough life - after being taken into care as a teenager, she finished school and funded her own way through college, all the while living in a homeless shelter, surrounded by drugs, pimping and prostituting.

"I finished high school and I cried on graduation day because everybody had their mum and their parents.

"I was crying, just standing there by myself - there was no family member there to hug me and say 'congratulations'."

This is the history that she is determined not to see a repeat of.

Adrienne is hugely proud of her children - you can see it written all over her face as she claps while they sing, or watches Ezekiel intently as he preaches.

"I'm in awe of him! It's like 'That's my boy!'" beams senior Pastor Vasconcellas Smith, stepfather to the children.

"I've cried with pride several times, and I do it openly - I don't care!"

Ezekiel has not decided what he wants to do as a job when he grows up. There is plenty of time to work it out, he says. But he has decided what kind of car he would like.

"I might have a Corvette, or I might have a Chevelle, it doesn't matter which type of car I get - I just know it's going to be a Chevrolet," he says, his eyes lighting up, and his voice full of animation.

"But for myself," he says, turning more serious and philosophical, "I just really want to stay in the word and continue preaching.

"Christians and believers, we should be the light of the world.

"In the salt, they take out the dark part, but leave the light part for you to eat - and I think we should be that light part."
 

Dreamer

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Just like any preachers, there's good and bad. I think parents have to be very careful with child preachers, but I do know they can be called that young. I know one who began preaching at age 12.. over 30 years later he was my Pastor. Now, he's in his 70's, and still a Pastor. Never rich or famous LOL.. but still doing what he was called to do.

Dale
 

cheri1122

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I feel the same way about children preaching as children 'protesting': they aren't old enough to have an informed opinion or belief just yet, and should be discouraged from making absolute statements about subjects on which their views may change as they get older. Parents who proudly push them into public view are doing them a disservice in using them to validate their own beliefs.
I have no religion, but I encouraged my kids to learn about religion, attend different churches, and form their own opinions rather than adopt mine without question. I strongly suspect the parents of preachers & protesters discourage exposure to dissenting opinion, which is more like brainwashing than teaching.
 

pandora2112

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It seems to me to be the same child pimping as the Toddlers and Tiaras show...I just can't see doing that to my child.

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layoutshooter

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As Dreamer said, parents need to be careful with children who want to preach. They must be careful not to push to satisfy their own ego and yet make it possible for children to follow their own hearts. One must take each person and situation on it's own merits. It is a parents responsibility to teach their children in a way that they believe will help their children become responsible adults. Everyone must do that in their own way.
 

Turtle

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...they aren't old enough to have an informed opinion or belief just yet...
Oh, but that's the sheer and utter beauty of being "called upon" by God - they don't need their own beliefs or opinions, as God is using them as an instrument of spreading His Word.

God apparently needs a good gimmick, ah, er, I mean, God works in mysterious ways.

I know a guy who was called to his profession at 10 years old. He's been doing it for 40 years, and he's really good at it. He's an auto mechanic.
 

layoutshooter

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Amazing, far too many religious people have little tolerance for others religious beliefs and non-religious people have little tolerance for others beliefs. Both extremes are prone to ridicule of those with strong beliefs. Just amazing.

It would seem that religious tolerance, from either side, is very rare.
 

pandora2112

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It's hard to feel that this is done with child's best interest at heart. Idk maybe my opinion was formed more by the documentary that was on the same issue that aired last weekend.
You had the 3 or 4 yr old who would get up say Amen, Praise Jesus then walk off to be showered with attention. What happens when he gets older and is no longer the it boy? Will he be able to handle the rejection?
Or what about "Little Preacher Man" who's 12...Grandma drives him around in nice new car dressed like a peacock so he can preach. His calling is testified to by her, then he gets up sings does a little preaching then it's time for the love offering...which according to grandma he doesn't touch, he doesn't know how much is or isn't made...but if her car and clothes are an indication the love offering is good.
That's why I feel it's an exploitation of these kids...they're being used to further someone else's agenda, finance someone else's dreams!

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Dreamer

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I appreciate you all having different beliefs, however there is a big difference in parents teaching a child to preach, an adult person learning to preach, and a true call. Please don't mock that call, as you have no idea what you're talking about. A true call comes from within. You can't explain it, and you can't make it go away. You can either ignore it or act on it, but it never goes away. Didn't you ever know people who seemed just 'born' to do something? Isn't there something in you that has been your passion since you were a child?

Were you 'taught' to be a musician, an artist, or other things, or was there a calling in you .. whether it was the music 'calling out to you' or art welling up that had to be expressed. Later you simply learned how to do it better, but the 'calling' was there.


I believe many have a calling. Some are born to to be doctors, teachers, encouragers, mothers, fathers, and yes.. some are 'called' by God to be preachers. Again, some 'decide' they want to be a preacher, and learn how to be one... I give you that some child preachers may have been taught 'how to be a preacher' and exploited, etc.

However, a true calling comes from within. True preaching comes from within.. you can't learn it.. you may learn how to better express yourself, how to better organize it.. that's all.. you don't become a preacher when you learn how.. or when you preach your first sermon.. you ARE a preacher long before that.. you simply acknowledge your calling.


Dale
 

xiggi

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Its none of my business.

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Turtle

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I absolutely will mock that calling, because I absolutely know what I'm talking about. I had a true calling from within to me a musician. I wanted to play the trumpet before I was big enough to hold one. The passion and the calling has never gone away, I simply express it in different ways other than performing. I fully understand the calling, whether it's a preacher, a doctor, teacher, shortstop, or whatever. I also know that there's no difference in the calling of a preacher, or a musician, or an auto mechanic, or a doctor, or anyone else with a calling. There's nothing any more or less special about any particular calling. A calling is a calling.

It is, however, interesting that the calling in child preachers is almost uniquely confined to the United States, whereas all other callings are more or less spread out through all of humanity. Some will think that's because God himself has a special place in his heart for the United States, I suppose. But I'm betting there's another, more human explanation.
 

Pilgrim

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Shirley Temple had a "calling" too - she was a child actress, and had the unique talent at a young age that enabled her to perform in front of large audiences of adults and relate to them in ways that are impossible for most youngsters. These child pastors are also performers, but they engage in a different kind of entertainment. Only in America would crowds of the faithful flock to listen to an 11-year old tell them how to better live their lives.
 

cubansammich

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Oh, but that's the sheer and utter beauty of being "called upon" by God - they don't need their own beliefs or opinions, as God is using them as an instrument of spreading His Word.

God apparently needs a good gimmick, ah, er, I mean, God works in mysterious ways.

I know a guy who was called to his profession at 10 years old. He's been doing it for 40 years, and he's really good at it. He's an auto mechanic.

There is humor in what you say but also truth. If you are a believer then you know a calling is for real even at 12.
 

Turtle

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There is humor in what you say but also truth. If you are a believer then you know a calling is for real even at 12.
Well, I know that some callings are real, but I also know that some are not. I think there's a very real question that needs to be looked at in that God calls only children in the US to be preachers, and virtually ignores all the other little children of the world in this matter. I'm thinking something other than God is at work here.
 

Monty

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May I take the "calling" in another direction? Those that have true homosexual leanings know it at a very young age.

I remember listening to a Michael Reagan radio show where he interviewed a childhood buddy of his, seems this young man was never interested in girls. And it was torment to him, to know he was not like other "boys", and was truly tramatized by the fact he was attracted to other boys.

Something he knew early on, and was never able to resolve until he was an adult.

I might suggest the child ministers are the same. Unable to resolve things until they have attained an age of accountability and reasoning. But I have been wrong before.
 

cubansammich

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May I take the "calling" in another direction? Those that have true homosexual leanings know it at a very young age.

I remember listening to a Michael Reagan radio show where he interviewed a childhood buddy of his, seems this young man was never interested in girls. And it was torment to him, to know he was not like other "boys", and was truly tramatized by the fact he was attracted to other boys.

Something he knew early on, and was never able to resolve until he was an adult.

I might suggest the child ministers are the same. Unable to resolve things until they have attained an age of accountability and reasoning. But I have been wrong before.

Seriously? Oh my. I will be praying for you.
 

pandora2112

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I'm not sure exactly what you mean Notanewbie? It's just what you are gay or straight....I don't think anyone chooses to be gay or straight....is that what you mean? It's just how you're born!

Pagan Trucker Girl - Blessed Be
 

Monty

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What I meant, this fella had his "calling", (homosexuality), at a very young age. He did not know how to deal with it until he became an adult.

I think that might also be true of a child having a "calling" to preach, in the same manner.

Many things we find confusing, or mysterious, are not so much that way as we gain some maturity.
 

Dreamer

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What I meant, this fella had his "calling", (homosexuality), at a very young age. He did not know how to deal with it until he became an adult.

I think that might also be true of a child having a "calling" to preach, in the same manner.

Many things we find confusing, or mysterious, are not so much that way as we gain some maturity.

I find it difficult to equate a sexual preference to accepting a call to a lifetime of service to God.....

Dale

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