Chicago Public School Kids told NO HOMEMADE LUNCH FOR YOU
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chefdennis
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It is the PARENTS responsibility...thats it...if they decide to send sodium filled hot dogs to school in their kids lunch, or sugar laden jelly sandwiches, that is up to them...again, you can't force what you might think is good for a few on everyone..it does not work that way in a free society...
It is both the parents' and the school's job to educate kids about nutrition vs empty calories.
With the childhood obesity rate having DOUBLED in 2 yrs [2006-08], parents are clearly not doing their job. [As they very often don't - having a child doesn't automatically make the parent act responsibly, and far too many don't for whatever reason: ignorance, laziness, immaturity, selfishness, exhaustion]. A little fact generally ignored by those who say "Parents' rights rule!".
It's a fact that obesity causes a lot of health problems, which many Americans can't afford to pay for now - is allowing the problem to continue unchanged [or more likely, escalate] a good idea? In years to come, somebody will have to pay for the diabetics, heart attacks, joint replacements, etc that are being created right now in obese children.
What would those who object to the school's plan do instead?
Because what they've been doing [leaving it to the parents] aint working out too well.
With the childhood obesity rate having DOUBLED in 2 yrs [2006-08], parents are clearly not doing their job. [As they very often don't - having a child doesn't automatically make the parent act responsibly, and far too many don't for whatever reason: ignorance, laziness, immaturity, selfishness, exhaustion]. A little fact generally ignored by those who say "Parents' rights rule!".
It's a fact that obesity causes a lot of health problems, which many Americans can't afford to pay for now - is allowing the problem to continue unchanged [or more likely, escalate] a good idea? In years to come, somebody will have to pay for the diabetics, heart attacks, joint replacements, etc that are being created right now in obese children.
What would those who object to the school's plan do instead?
Because what they've been doing [leaving it to the parents] aint working out too well.
greg334
Veteran Expediter
First thing that jumped out is the first sentance. Read it and ask yourself who is that young revolutionary?
Second the parents already screwed the kid by forcing them into public schools, if you want to abuse your kids legally, it is the best way to do it.
Third there is more about having fat kids than eating. Don't care to debate the merits of food intake with anyone but there is a fact that seems to get ignored TOO MUCH - we have had 'soda'/'pop'/'sugary soft drinks' for a long time, like over 100 years. We have also had snack food, twinkies, ho-hos, corn chips, and other fattening food for almost as long.
SO when idiots (school officials, government employees, dumba** doctors who need to pad their income for the new Bentley and Michele Obama) start to open their mouths about childhood obesity, they are clueless to the real cause - a lack of sports and other activities that allow the kids not to burn off fat.
My solution -
end bus trips and make the little brat walk.
Put serious requirements for those kid to do more than arts class or some other stupid and worthless venture like say sports, even non-invasive stuff.
Force group activities with other student and God forbid teachers on the weekend. Some of the teachers can use to lose some of their fat too.
Second the parents already screwed the kid by forcing them into public schools, if you want to abuse your kids legally, it is the best way to do it.
Third there is more about having fat kids than eating. Don't care to debate the merits of food intake with anyone but there is a fact that seems to get ignored TOO MUCH - we have had 'soda'/'pop'/'sugary soft drinks' for a long time, like over 100 years. We have also had snack food, twinkies, ho-hos, corn chips, and other fattening food for almost as long.
SO when idiots (school officials, government employees, dumba** doctors who need to pad their income for the new Bentley and Michele Obama) start to open their mouths about childhood obesity, they are clueless to the real cause - a lack of sports and other activities that allow the kids not to burn off fat.
My solution -
end bus trips and make the little brat walk.
Put serious requirements for those kid to do more than arts class or some other stupid and worthless venture like say sports, even non-invasive stuff.
Force group activities with other student and God forbid teachers on the weekend. Some of the teachers can use to lose some of their fat too.
What is sad, our school system took the best thing out of packing lunches "Peanut Butter" due to allergies....Whatever happen to keeping your hands to yourself and taking from another student. I say let the kid go into shock, it should be the parent fault for not teaching the little animal to keep their hands and mouths to themselves!
Also, my son preferred my pack lunches (once a week) over the school lunches...heck, it is like hospital food almost worse if you take the salt and the other nasty junk they add.
Each year, the U.S. spends $9,644 per PK-12 student compared to $22,600 per prison inmate.
Also, my son preferred my pack lunches (once a week) over the school lunches...heck, it is like hospital food almost worse if you take the salt and the other nasty junk they add.
Each year, the U.S. spends $9,644 per PK-12 student compared to $22,600 per prison inmate.
purgoose10
Veteran Expediter
I think education would be less drastic, I don't see that as being "socialist"
I was raised in Chicago and I'll tell you and Numb Nuts and his mayor buddy to keep their hands off. It's none of anybody's business what I eat they eat or what anybody else eats. This is America and when you socialist's want to come out in the open and try and take my rights and the rights of every other American from them then it's time to fight. That's all there is to it. We don't need anymore people telling us how to live when they can't do any better them selves. This is nothing but B.S.
EnglishLady
Veteran Expediter
Just to clarify for you ....
My response, that you quoted, was actually in answer to Chefdennis statement about taking the children way from their parents.
purgoose10
Veteran Expediter
Just to clarify for you ....
My response, that you quoted, was actually in answer to Chefdennis statement about taking the children way from their parents.
I understand that but Dennis was just making a statement, I don't think he meant it.
It just ticks me off when someone even suggest taking our simple rights and liberty away from us and we didn't hear it as often before this no account got into the White house. The only thing that can be said about this guy is the education level of Americans who could trust someone like him. And yes the other party didn't have much to speak of ether but the lesser of two evils.
Just think if he gets re elected what he could do in his last 4 years without worrying about getting re elected. We are in dangerous times. He actually made a statement that it would be good for America to pay $7 a gallon for gas. All I can say is 1 more year.
EnglishLady
Veteran Expediter
Since when was it the schools responsibility to teach nutrition? That is the parents job. Schools should be teaching the basics. Reading, writing, math and history. The primary purpose of public schools it to turn out educated voters. They are NOT there for job skills, sports etc.
The government is out of control, this is just another example. Besides, how can they preach this when many cities no longer have side walks making it unsafe to walk. How can they preach this when many cities refuse to clean up the street crime that makes it unsafe for kids to walk. How can they preach this when judges turn child molesters and pedafiles loose, making unsafe for kids to walk? Many schools also no longer have recess. Then they complain kids don't get enough exercise. Seems to me the government and schools are talking out of both sides of their face.
The government is out of control, this is just another example. Besides, how can they preach this when many cities no longer have side walks making it unsafe to walk. How can they preach this when many cities refuse to clean up the street crime that makes it unsafe for kids to walk. How can they preach this when judges turn child molesters and pedafiles loose, making unsafe for kids to walk? Many schools also no longer have recess. Then they complain kids don't get enough exercise. Seems to me the government and schools are talking out of both sides of their face.
...when they bring the food from home, there is no money...
That's what I think is at the heart of the school's actions. That would be the day I pull my child out and home school. Bad enough no peanut butter.
Where are you finding that statistic Cheri? And what is 'their' definition of obesity in a child?
Since we're talking about obesity in kids, here is something I find interesting. Back in the day... babies and kids tended to follow pretty similar growth patterns.. like they'd be between *this* weight and *that* weight, at that age, and between *this* height and *that* height, etc. Like, I'm talking about perhaps 18-22lbs at one year (how it used to be).
There is something about.. fat cells in a body... and once a body has been 'fat', the body will need to forever consume fewer calories than a body which has never been 'fat'. ie, if there are 2 women, both 5'3 and both 120lbs, woman#1 has never been overweight, while woman#2 spiked up to 160lbs at some point in her life and then lost the weight... those 2 women will have to live with 2 different calorie intakes in order to preserve that 120lb weight.
And yet... nowadays, it is fashionable to brag about your big fat baby that weighs 20lbs at 4 months of age... the bigger and fatter, the better, and the more bragging rights you have (gag me with a spoon).. whereas before, that 20lbs was more like the weight of a one-year-old toddler who was active and getting constant exercise. Some babies now look like they're 2 year olds!
So we encourage the parents to stuff their babies as much as possible, feed them every 2 hours or whenever they grunt, cut bigger holes in the bottle nipples so the parents can stick some more fattening rice cereal in with their infant formula, all so they can be as fat and pudgy as possible - the more rolls of fat and the bigger the legs, the better!
At which point do we turn around and say... hey wait, we're changing the rules! Where you used to be considered a great parent for having a fat baby, and it used to be considered cute, now your kid is considered obese and it's not so cute; your child is at risk for developing diabetes and you are now a lousy parent who needs to have the government mandate what your child shall eat for lunch at school?
The world has gone nuts, I tell you!
There is something about.. fat cells in a body... and once a body has been 'fat', the body will need to forever consume fewer calories than a body which has never been 'fat'. ie, if there are 2 women, both 5'3 and both 120lbs, woman#1 has never been overweight, while woman#2 spiked up to 160lbs at some point in her life and then lost the weight... those 2 women will have to live with 2 different calorie intakes in order to preserve that 120lb weight.
And yet... nowadays, it is fashionable to brag about your big fat baby that weighs 20lbs at 4 months of age... the bigger and fatter, the better, and the more bragging rights you have (gag me with a spoon).. whereas before, that 20lbs was more like the weight of a one-year-old toddler who was active and getting constant exercise. Some babies now look like they're 2 year olds!
So we encourage the parents to stuff their babies as much as possible, feed them every 2 hours or whenever they grunt, cut bigger holes in the bottle nipples so the parents can stick some more fattening rice cereal in with their infant formula, all so they can be as fat and pudgy as possible - the more rolls of fat and the bigger the legs, the better!
At which point do we turn around and say... hey wait, we're changing the rules! Where you used to be considered a great parent for having a fat baby, and it used to be considered cute, now your kid is considered obese and it's not so cute; your child is at risk for developing diabetes and you are now a lousy parent who needs to have the government mandate what your child shall eat for lunch at school?
The world has gone nuts, I tell you!
Tennesseahawk
Veteran Expediter
I'll tell you when obesity started becoming an issue with children... when Atari came out. Then PS, Nintendo, Sega, PS2, XBox, and computers. Cable was another one.
But governments won't say a thing about that... cause they're cutting Phys Ed from school curricula. The fast food industry is an easy scapegoat. But in the end it falls back on the parent to actually be a parent... and we're failing at that.
But governments won't say a thing about that... cause they're cutting Phys Ed from school curricula. The fast food industry is an easy scapegoat. But in the end it falls back on the parent to actually be a parent... and we're failing at that.
greg334
Veteran Expediter
Pjjjj,
this is a cycle, we have had doctors in the last century wanting to fatten up kids quickly then the trend was the opposite and then it went back to the fattening the kid up.
The key for kids is activity, not nutrition. Kids need fat to grow, they need the carbs and they need the other things found in the found to develop. Putting kids on strict 'healthy' diets may do them more harm in the long run that to have them eat "normal" and work it off.
Layout, I do not even want to consider a public school as a place to turn out educated voters. I want to see the right to vote go back to what it was, 21 years of age so we don't keep elected "cool" people.
As for parenting, yep a lot of them are lazy but also very selfish. Many claim to be good parents, making sure they are safe and even becoming friends with them. BUT the selfish part is caving into the idea they need to drive at 16, they are on their own at 17 and they can make their own decisions at 10.
With that said, the kids need activity during the school day, not after. The French have done some research on this issue back in the 1890s and it still holds true - activity during school helps the kids.
this is a cycle, we have had doctors in the last century wanting to fatten up kids quickly then the trend was the opposite and then it went back to the fattening the kid up.
The key for kids is activity, not nutrition. Kids need fat to grow, they need the carbs and they need the other things found in the found to develop. Putting kids on strict 'healthy' diets may do them more harm in the long run that to have them eat "normal" and work it off.
Layout, I do not even want to consider a public school as a place to turn out educated voters. I want to see the right to vote go back to what it was, 21 years of age so we don't keep elected "cool" people.
As for parenting, yep a lot of them are lazy but also very selfish. Many claim to be good parents, making sure they are safe and even becoming friends with them. BUT the selfish part is caving into the idea they need to drive at 16, they are on their own at 17 and they can make their own decisions at 10.
With that said, the kids need activity during the school day, not after. The French have done some research on this issue back in the 1890s and it still holds true - activity during school helps the kids.
Greg, I agree with going back to 21. I seem to remember from some where back about 50 years ago when I was in school, a history class, that the idea of public education was put forward for the reason of insuring that people would be educated enough to vote. Without an educated public the system would fail.
I also believe that we should amend the Constitution to require paying Federal taxes to vote in Federal Elections. Same for state and local. That would put an monkey wrench in the entitlement crowds ability to keep us all in debt. NO ONE with a REAL stake in this and no one with half a brain would keep voting for these numb skulls that are running us into debt.
I also believe that we should amend the Constitution to require paying Federal taxes to vote in Federal Elections. Same for state and local. That would put an monkey wrench in the entitlement crowds ability to keep us all in debt. NO ONE with a REAL stake in this and no one with half a brain would keep voting for these numb skulls that are running us into debt.
greg334
Veteran Expediter
Well voting stuff aside, the public school system we have in this country is a misrible failure because what used to be considered third world people are exceeding us in math, science and even english.
I have found the best system could be a combination of German and French, where you learn specific skills but also the money follows the student, not the student follow the money.
Otherwise, I stand firm on the opinion that public school education is abuse.
I have found the best system could be a combination of German and French, where you learn specific skills but also the money follows the student, not the student follow the money.
Otherwise, I stand firm on the opinion that public school education is abuse.
I agree, our public education is a farce. Much of that can be blamed on the Federal Governments involvement, but the MAJORITY of the problem rests with the parents. Far too many parents pay little attention to what is being taught in school. They don't look at the texts, they don't impose their rule on school boards. They don't monitor their kids homework etc.
The idea that MORE money equals BETTER education is a joke.
The idea that MORE money equals BETTER education is a joke.
purgoose10
Veteran Expediter
There ya go, the man hit the nail on the head.
No argument there! Nearly every response to this thread says "It should be up to the parents" while the facts show that the parents are basically at fault. They can't [or don't even try] to counter the attraction of sedentary activities [Nintendo, tv/movies] and unhealthy food [fast, junk, and/or 'convenience'] and drinks.
So the problem continues, and the kids will pay for it in health issues [not to mention psyche issues], and society will face a whole lot of medical bills for it, too.
That's nuts.
PS The statistics on childhood obesity are from the CDC [Center for Disease Control] and a study done by Dr Reginald Washington, pediatric cardiologist at Rocky Mountain Children's Hospital in Denver, Co.]