Chicago Public School Kids told NO HOMEMADE LUNCH FOR YOU

chefdennis

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The gov knows best..the people can not be allowed to do for themselves, they make bad decisions....So the Public School kis in Chicago will not be allowed to bring their own lunches and snacks from home....Not a Gov over reach, just the Gov saving the people from themselves....:rolleyes:

Chicago school bans some lunches brought from home

To encourage healthful eating, Chicago school doesn't allow kids to bring lunches or certain snacks from home — and some parents, and many students, aren't fans of the policy

By Monica Eng and Joel Hood, Tribune reporters
3:42 a.m. CDT, April 11, 2011
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...trictions-041120110410,0,4567867.story?page=1

Fernando Dominguez cut the figure of a young revolutionary leader during a recent lunch period at his elementary school.

"Who thinks the lunch is not good enough?" the seventh-grader shouted to his lunch mates in Spanish and English.

Dozens of hands flew in the air and fellow students shouted along: "We should bring our own lunch! We should bring our own lunch! We should bring our own lunch!"

Fernando waved his hand over the crowd and asked a visiting reporter: "Do you see the situation?"

At his public school, Little Village Academy on Chicago's West Side, students are not allowed to pack lunches from home. Unless they have a medical excuse, they must eat the food served in the cafeteria.

Principal Elsa Carmona said her intention is to protect students from their own unhealthful food choices.

"Nutrition wise, it is better for the children to eat at the school," Carmona said. "It's about the nutrition and the excellent quality food that they are able to serve (in the lunchroom). It's milk versus a Coke. But with allergies and any medical issue, of course, we would make an exception."

Carmona said she created the policy six years ago after watching students bring "bottles of soda and flaming hot chips" on field trips for their lunch. Although she would not name any other schools that employ such practices, she said it was fairly common.

A Chicago Public Schools spokeswoman said she could not say how many schools prohibit packed lunches and that decision is left to the judgment of the principals.

"While there is no formal policy, principals use common sense judgment based on their individual school environments," Monique Bond wrote in an email. "In this case, this principal is encouraging the healthier choices and attempting to make an impact that extends beyond the classroom."

Any school that bans homemade lunches also puts more money in the pockets of the district's food provider, Chartwells-Thompson. The federal government pays the district for each free or reduced-price lunch taken, and the caterer receives a set fee from the district per lunch.

At Little Village, most students must take the meals served in the cafeteria or go hungry or both. During a recent visit to the school, dozens of students took the lunch but threw most of it in the garbage uneaten. Though CPS has improved the nutritional quality of its meals this year, it also has seen a drop-off in meal participation among students, many of whom say the food tastes bad.

"Some of the kids don't like the food they give at our school for lunch or breakfast," said Little Village parent Erica Martinez. "So it would be a good idea if they could bring their lunch so they could at least eat something."

"(My grandson) is really picky about what he eats," said Anna Torrez, who was picking up the boy from school. "I think they should be able to bring their lunch. Other schools let them. But at this school, they don't."

But parent Miguel Medina said he thinks the "no home lunch policy" is a good one. "The school food is very healthy," he said, "and when they bring the food from home, there is no control over the food."

At Claremont Academy Elementary School on the South Side, officials allow packed lunches but confiscate any snacks loaded with sugar or salt. (They often are returned after school.) Principal Rebecca Stinson said that though students may not like it, she has yet to hear a parent complain.

"The kids may have money or earn money and (buy junk food) without their parents' knowledge," Stinson said, adding that most parents expect that the school will look out for their children.

Such discussions over school lunches and healthy eating echo a larger national debate about the role government should play in individual food choices.

"This is such a fundamental infringement on parental responsibility," said J. Justin Wilson, a senior researcher at the Washington-based Center for Consumer Freedom, which is partially funded by the food industry.

"Would the school balk if the parent wanted to prepare a healthier meal?" Wilson said. "This is the perfect illustration of how the government's one-size-fits-all mandate on nutrition fails time and time again. Some parents may want to pack a gluten-free meal for a child, and others may have no problem with a child enjoying soda."

For many CPS parents, the idea of forbidding home-packed lunches would be unthinkable. If their children do not qualify for free or reduced-price meals, such a policy would require them to pay $2.25 a day for food they don't necessarily like.

"We don't spend anywhere close to that on my son's daily intake of a sandwich (lovingly cut into the shape of a Star Wars ship), Goldfish crackers and milk," education policy professor Diane Whitmore Schanzenbach wrote in an email. Her son attends Nettelhorst Elementary School in Lakeview. "Not only would mandatory school lunches worsen the dietary quality of most kids' lunches at Nettelhorst, but it would also cost more out of pocket to most parents! There is no chance the parents would stand for that."

Many Little Village students claim that, given the opportunity, they would make sound choices.

"They're afraid that we'll all bring in greasy food instead of healthy food and it won't be as good as what they give us at school," said student Yesenia Gutierrez. "It's really lame. If we could bring in our own lunches, everyone knows what they'd bring. For example, the vegetarians could bring in their own veggie food."

"I would bring a sandwich or a Subway and maybe a juice," said seventh-grader Ashley Valdez.

Second-grader Gerardo Ramos said, "I would bring a banana, orange and some grapes."

"I would bring a juice and like a sandwich," said fourth-grader Eric Sanchez.

"Sometimes I would bring the healthy stuff," second-grader Julian Ruiz said, "but sometimes I would bring Lunchables."
 

Dreamer

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For cryin out loud. Thats one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.


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EnglishLady

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I know what you are saying here - taking the choice away from the parent/student but..........

with the serious rise of child obesity, do you not think that something like this is a good idea?
 

chefdennis

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No, it is not the job of the school or the gov to tell people what they can eat....its called personal choice
 

EnglishLady

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No, it is not the job of the school or the gov to tell people what they can eat....its called personal choice

And I understand that Dennis, but, as this principal pointed out with the examples of Cola and chips, do the parents & children actually know how to eat properly.

All around us we see children that are way too heavy for their age - are todays parents that helpless that they can't say no to their children in order to give them a healthy, free from obesity and diabetes life.
:(
 

chefdennis

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the problem is in when you invoke rules for the ignorant to protect them from themselves on the masses, you are infringing on the rights of the not so ignorant....
 

EnglishLady

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the problem is in when you invoke rules for the ignorant to protect them from themselves on the masses, you are infringing on the rights of the not so ignorant....

But where are the rights of the children NOT to grow up with obesity & the other ailments that can accompany that?
Because the parents don't understand nutrition, care or whatever their reason - it is not fair on the child.

A fine line to be sure
 

chefdennis

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Then take the children from the parents....if the parents can't be trusted to properly feed their kids, then the gov should just take them for the good of the child...see where it leads...it is not the governments responcibility to make sure that the people eat properly or to make sure that they don't get fat....when the gov has the right, then we live in a socialist government controled country....
 

EnglishLady

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Then take the children from the parents....if the parents can't be trusted to properly feed their kids, then the gov should just take them for the good of the child...see where it leads...it is not the governments responcibility to make sure that the people eat properly or to make sure that they don't get fat....when the gov has the right, then we live in a socialist government controled country....


I think education would be less drastic, I don't see that as being "socialist" :p
 

xiggi

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Sue I am not sure what fine line there is to it. They do not have the right to dictate what a child eats. They do have the right to teach the kids about eating right and even to send information home with them about healthy eating.

What about all the kids who are not over weight? What about the kids like my daughter who has always been about the thinnest in her class? Didn't we have the right to send her to school with plenty of what she would eat to keep the calorie intake up without paying a doctor to give us a note with his permission? They make decisions now days for the lowest common demoninator while ignoring many others who do things right. Just because during the day these kids eat less if they have those parents chances are they will just eat even more than before when they get home.

I would bet what many kids brought from home was just fine to eat but since some kids ate not so good stuff they make a one size fits all rule. I would be curious to know what kind of phys ed classes these schools have if any.
 

EnglishLady

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Sue I am not sure what fine line there is to it. They do not have the right to dictate what a child eats. They do have the right to teach the kids about eating right and even to send information home with them about healthy eating.

What about all the kids who are not over weight? What about the kids like my daughter who has always been about the thinnest in her class? Didn't we have the right to send her to school with plenty of what she would eat to keep the calorie intake up without paying a doctor to give us a note with his permission? They make decisions now days for the lowest common demoninator while ignoring many others who do things right. Just because during the day these kids eat less if they have those parents chances are they will just eat even more than before when they get home.

I would bet what many kids brought from home was just fine to eat but since some kids ate not so good stuff they make a one size fits all rule. I would be curious to know what kind of phys ed classes these schools have if any.


The fine line was not about dictating what a child should eat, but rather a principle, a State or a Grovernment trying to help those that need it without "crossing the line" into "Socialism".

Your point about children who are picky or need more cals than others is a good point - they must vary the menu to accomodate.
They should not expect parents to, as you say, foot the bill for medical notes.

In all honesty I think this should have been brought up at a Parent/Teacher Meeting before being implemented.
 

chefdennis

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Sue, education is one thing..and yes that is not a problem at all, but we are not talking education here..this has moved passed that and instead has taken on the heavy hand of Those that need to "take care of those that can't take care of themselves because we know whats best for them"...there is no place for that here..
 

xiggi

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Now surely that should have been up to the parents at the hyperthetical meeting to have decided, or does the US PTA parents not have a vote :confused:

It was up to the parents when they were allowed to send a lunch of their choice or use the school lunch.
 

AMonger

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Fernando Dominguez cut the figure of a young revolutionary leader during a recent lunch period at his elementary school.

"Who thinks the lunch is not good enough?" the seventh-grader shouted to his lunch mates in Spanish and English.

Dozens of hands flew in the air and fellow students shouted along: "We should bring our own lunch! We should bring our own lunch! We should bring our own lunch!"

Fernando waved his hand over the crowd and asked a visiting reporter: "Do you see the situation?"

GOOD FOR HIM!! WE NEED MORE KIDS LIKE HIM WHO THINK FOR THEMSELVES AND TAKE ACTION INSTEAD OF BEING SHEEP!


Carmona said she created the policy six years ago after watching students bring "bottles of soda and flaming hot chips" on field trips for their lunch.

You remember the movie with Morgan Freeman in which he played a principal trying to make changes at a horrible government school to keep local control instead of the system being taken over by the state? He made changes by gaining the respect and trust of the students, so they'd listen to him voluntarily. So he pulls the fat kid aside, puts his arm around his shoulder before lunch and says something like, "Hey, how about eating a vegetable?" It showed he really cared about the kid's welfare. That's how to enact real change.

"In this case, this principal is encouraging the healthier choices and attempting to make an impact that extends beyond the classroom."

You remember the day when our employees knew their place, knew the limits of their authority? If I were a parent in that district, I'd slap that broad down so quick, every decision she'd make after that would be made with the thought of not ****ing me off again. She'd never try to influence anything outside of the school again.

"(My grandson) is really picky about what he eats," said Anna Torrez, who was picking up the boy from school. "I think they should be able to bring their lunch. Other schools let them. But at this school, they don't."

But parent Miguel Medina said he thinks the "no home lunch policy" is a good one. "The school food is very healthy," he said, "and when they bring the food from home, there is no control over the food."

Funny, watching different people react differently. That Anna chick doesn't really seem to like the policy, but she doesn't seem to be willing to do anything to put the school administration back in their place. That Miguel wimp seems perfectly happy being dictated to. What do you want to bet his whole life is like that--being run by others. He's probably on welfare and food stamps.

And notice how important this sentence is--"...when they bring the food from home, there is no control..." You don't think that's what's at the heart of the school's actions, do you--CONTROL?

At Claremont Academy Elementary School on the South Side, officials allow packed lunches but confiscate any snacks loaded with sugar or salt.

I'm glad I'm not a schoolchild today. I'd be expelled inside of a week. I'd definitely have brought lunch from home and eaten it as conspicuously as I could. When confronted, my response would have been, "Try and take it; see what happens to you."

But then the nanny state leftists hadn't taken over yet back then.
 

EnglishLady

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It was up to the parents when they were allowed to send a lunch of their choice or use the school lunch.


Touche :D

But I still believe that trying to implement something like this ... even though there is good intent, should have been brought up at a PTA for voting.
 

AMonger

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But where are the rights of the children NOT to grow up with obesity & the other ailments that can accompany that?

No such right, just as there's no right to not get cancer or epilepsy or anything else.

As PJ O'Rourke says, "There's only one fundamental human right--the right to do as you **** well please. And with it comes the only human responsibility--the responsibility to take the consequences."

If we're talking about overruling the decisions of parents for the good of their children, we need to start at Elton John's house, and then go on to Britney Spears' kids.
 

EnglishLady

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No such right, just as there's no right to not get cancer or epilepsy or anything else.

As PJ O'Rourke says, "There's only one fundamental human right--the right to do as you **** well please. And with it comes the only human responsibility--the responsibility to take the consequences."

If we're talking about overruling the decisions of parents for the good of their children, we need to start at Elton John's house, and then go on to Britney Spears' kids.

LOL :p

How can a five year old (or any young age) take responsibility for what they are given to eat :confused:
 

xiggi

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Sue one of the big problems with this country is to many rules being made because they make a person feel good about doing something they think helps others. These almost always end in disaster or cause problems that were never considered because on the surface it sounded good. We cannot rule with our heart but must use our heads instead.
 
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