Cash for Clunkers.. hurts the little guy..

greg334

Veteran Expediter
GM is not a US company, it is owned by the UAW and the US government. China may end up owning them.

Chrysler is Pepperoni Motors.

Ford is the only US company.

I was listening to the CEO of Toyota last night and I am starting to feel that because they plan on expanding like Honda, that they are actually more American with American values than the New GM.
 

xiggi

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
Kind like I would assume expediters after "adjusted gross income" don't pay any taxes....if they have a book keeper any good....

like some in here if they ain't sqawking to hear themselves sqawk then they are crappin....:D

As they say "never assume" I know I am not the only one here who has more than one income source. So yes some do pay taxes as will our kids as they pay back the money that must be borrowed to pay for these programs.
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
You are right Greg, and I wonder just how much of the Ford product is US made? I really wish I had a few zillion dollars to play with. THIS IS the time for a NEW US auto company. It would "Kick butt". I also would LOVE to buy a huge chunk of Detroit. It is "RIPE" for new developement. By a huge chunk I mean a few square miles. I do want ALL riverfront in the city limits and maybe 1 mile back from the river. MAN, what an opertunity!! My plan would to wonders for Catapiller, LOTS of very large bulldozers would be needed!!!
 

witness23

Veteran Expediter
COSTOFWAR.COM - The Cost of War

Click on it.......That is money, "We the people" have no choice in spending. I'll use the redundant jargon most of you use on here, "Your children, grandchildren and great grandchildren will be paying back that money".

The money for "cash for clunckers" was already spent by Congressional leaders who had attached the legislation to a $106 billion spending bill to fund troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. So 3-4 billion of the 106 billion dollars is going to the American people to go towards a new car if they choose to take advantage of the program. Can't you see that Washington is trying to allocate money back to the American people in areas that need help like the auto industry.
 

muttly

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
COSTOFWAR.COM - The Cost of War

Click on it.......That is money, "We the people" have no choice in spending. I'll use the redundant jargon most of you use on here, "Your children, grandchildren and great grandchildren will be paying back that money".

The money for "cash for clunckers" was already spent by Congressional leaders who had attached the legislation to a $106 billion spending bill to fund troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. So 3-4 billion of the 106 billion dollars is going to the American people to go towards a new car if they choose to take advantage of the program. Can't you see that Washington is trying to allocate money back to the American people in areas that need help like the auto industry.
Has not the auto industry received enough of tax payer money already? The dems need to stop spending so much of taxpayer money.
 

muttly

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
COSTOFWAR.COM - The Cost of War

Click on it.......That is money, "We the people" have no choice in spending. I'll use the redundant jargon most of you use on here, "Your children, grandchildren and great grandchildren will be paying back that money".

The money for "cash for clunckers" was already spent by Congressional leaders who had attached the legislation to a $106 billion spending bill to fund troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. So 3-4 billion of the 106 billion dollars is going to the American people to go towards a new car if they choose to take advantage of the program. Can't you see that Washington is trying to allocate money back to the American people in areas that need help like the auto industry.

Could have sworn I used to hear that children and grandchildren sentence from the dems all the time when Bush was in office.;)
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Can't you see that Washington is trying to allocate money back to the American people in areas that need help like the auto industry.

Yes we can all see that this is a form of patriotism, I will give your money back - a form of government control.

Well let's be a bit realistic here and stop with the BS.

1 - it is not all our money that they are giving back. It is a mix of our money and borrowed money. Most of the money that we are using at this point is borrowed, seeing that we are near the end of the fiscal year.

2 - the money we borrow has a price and this is where people seem to have their head stuck in the sand - the price is interest that we pay on the borrowed money. The interest paid in the next fiscal year will exceed one trillion dollars.

3 - the interest on the money is paid yearly, not at the end of the 'loan'.

4 - most of these loans are in the form of Treasury Securities (Treasury bills, Treasury notes, Treasury bonds, and Treasury Inflation Protected Securities), our great treasury leaders don't go to Bank of China and fill out an application and wait for a decision, they auction off the treasury notes, even you can buy one but in the very recent past they had some not sell at the interest rates offered and the treasury had to hike up the interest rate to make them look attractive.

5 - these securities are in different durations. Most that are sold to create money for congress to spend have a 10 year life span, which at the end of that 10 years, we have to again borrow more money to cover the 'cashing in' on the security. A BIG circle of debt where it never gets paid off. By the way because of the interest being paid off yearly, a lot of countries buy long term debt, 30 year securities.

6 - if they want to give back, let them not take in the first place.

7 - the vast amount of people who voted for Obama have no clue what this is all about. Everyone seems to think that the Iraq war has pushed our debt up but that is not all true. Many of these on going social and security related programs are one of the biggest causes. I won't even go into social security other than to say it should be gone but take department of homeland security and their budget, look at the cost of that department and what we have to borrow and we don't even have a border on the south side of the country that is properly protected.

8 - we need to raise interest rates and needed to do so for a long time. Congress way back under greenspan loved low interest rates because they went on a spending spree and could cover their tracks. The fact that we didn't have a surplus due to the tech bubble, 9/11 happened and we went to war didn't phase congress a bit and we are seeing the results in a lack of enforcement in the financial sector.

9 - of course the cure for all of this is to what? spend more money... the Keynesian thought of government finance didn't work in the 30's and it hasn't worked now so why continue down the same path with another FDR wantabe who is ignorant of what makes this country run. I do blame everyone from Johnson on for all of this, not just Obama and Bush.

10 - this economy is very fragile right now and will be for years to come. What the propagandist are saying and what reality is are two completely different things. We will see worst in the near future, we have to see worst but if we see better, than something will happen to make it a lot lot worst. IF the Obamaites get their greasy hands on health care, then we will see taxes raised right away and the economy go right in the toilet. We can not have any health care reform until we have a solid economy and more hard asset jobs (manufacturing, trucking, construction, etc...) that will absorb the costs.
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Our economy is in a shambles right now and this health care bill will finish it off. There are MUCH better ways to fix the problems we have with health care than getting the government involved. They have a poor track record in controlling costs and there is no reason to believe that they can deliver this time. Government, as we know it, is the CAUSE of or greatly contributes to every challenge that will are facing today. What we need is NOT health care reform but first TOTAL reform of our government.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Government reform can't happen until the people get a real grip on reality. And then it may be too late...
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Living in reality is a lost art. Most people in this country live in GAGA land. They live in a perverted fairy tale place. It IS our fault, we have allowed this to happen.
 

hdxpedx

Veteran Expediter
Fleet Owner
our economy is in a shambles right now and this health care bill will finish it off. There are much better ways to fix the problems we have with health care than getting the government involved. They have a poor track record in controlling costs and there is no reason to believe that they can deliver this time. Government, as we know it, is the cause of or greatly contributes to every challenge that will are facing today. What we need is not health care reform but first total reform of our government.

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