So is the DRW version equipped with extended wheel wells like a dually pick up?
cargoMAXX
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So is the DRW version equipped with extended wheel wells like a dually pick up?
IMHO Being a Sprinter booster..I have lost some umph with them..I wish they would have the 5 cyl option. The new ones are lucky to get 19-21 MPG, whereas the pre 07's are getting around 22-25 mpg...
The good thing is dealers are now willing to dicker..I've heard numerous times of 07/08's on sale as low as the $35,000 range.
The good thing is dealers are now willing to dicker..I've heard numerous times of 07/08's on sale as low as the $35,000 range.
chefdennis
Veteran Expediter
Moot open this link:
CFF Sales and Leasing 2009 Cargo Maxx 600
It shows the rear Wheel "Tubs" simiular to those on a 1ton dually pickup and a few other pics of both the single and dual rear wheel trucks...And yes it lloks like they are using the heavy cut away chassis, the big 10,000 lb gvw chassis for the pictures and then maybe added the whell tubs or fender extentions for the dual rear wheel application. i would think the single wheel may actually use a 9200 lb gvw (i may be wrong on the actual gvw rating, but it is close) cut away, but the dual wheel should be the 10,000 lb...now if it is the 12,000 lb RV chassis, all bets are off, id not be interested...if i am going to have to log, it will be in a straight truck ....
CFF Sales and Leasing 2009 Cargo Maxx 600
It shows the rear Wheel "Tubs" simiular to those on a 1ton dually pickup and a few other pics of both the single and dual rear wheel trucks...And yes it lloks like they are using the heavy cut away chassis, the big 10,000 lb gvw chassis for the pictures and then maybe added the whell tubs or fender extentions for the dual rear wheel application. i would think the single wheel may actually use a 9200 lb gvw (i may be wrong on the actual gvw rating, but it is close) cut away, but the dual wheel should be the 10,000 lb...now if it is the 12,000 lb RV chassis, all bets are off, id not be interested...if i am going to have to log, it will be in a straight truck ....
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Thanks Chef! I tried to find some specs like GVWR and inside dimensions, zilch. In the photos the 6000 appears to be wider than the Vision HCV. At least toward the top. I am still intrigued by the wheels on the SRW version. I'm wondering if both the SRW and DRW versions picutred are the same van but with the duals and fender extensions added for the DRW photo.
I sent a p.m. to cargomaxx and am hoping for more info in the future. This could be a nice van for expediting.
I sent a p.m. to cargomaxx and am hoping for more info in the future. This could be a nice van for expediting.
chefdennis
Veteran Expediter
Moot, I have an e-mail into them to try and get the GM /ford chassis specs as well as the comolete box dimensions. I too thought maybe that both vans were the same one and prototypes, but if you look the dual wheel van has the chrome grille and dual headlamps and the single has the black duraplas grille and single headlamps...so they are 2 different vans...but that doesn't mean the single wheel van wasn't built on a dual wheel chassis for the purpose of getting one together..
and yea the dual wheel van does look like it is wider above the body line... but the responce from the rep that both vans have 52.7 in dimension between the wheelwells makes me think the wider body look is just the photo angle affect...
I hope to get the specs soon, i am interested. And i also know where there are a handful of new 2008 gm 10,000 gvw cut aways in a GM van pool company that can be had for a steal...need to work all angles to get a truck as cheap as possible....
and yea the dual wheel van does look like it is wider above the body line... but the responce from the rep that both vans have 52.7 in dimension between the wheelwells makes me think the wider body look is just the photo angle affect...
I hope to get the specs soon, i am interested. And i also know where there are a handful of new 2008 gm 10,000 gvw cut aways in a GM van pool company that can be had for a steal...need to work all angles to get a truck as cheap as possible....
Good mileage is do able in the 07 and up, I average 28 MPG which is 23 US MPG. Somedays it drops to 21.5 US and somedays I can get 25 US, depends a lot on the wind.
That said, I am still very interested in this unit. I almost bought a Vision but was un satisfied with the length. This thing looks pretty cool. Hopefully there is at least 16 feet from behind the seat to the rear door.
Should be cool also as GM vans get the 6 speed transmission for 2010 (the 6L90 not the Allison).
I completely missed the grills! Saw the wheels and focused on that.
Or possibly those wheels in conjunction with a certain tire rating could give this van a 10,000# GVWR which would be really cool!
I thought both vans looked wider about half way up. ??????
Piper, was the Allison transmission ever available in a van? I know GM had to castrate the original Duramax to get it to fit into a van because there was not enough room when it was mated to the Allison.
A 6 speed transmission sounds great! Especially since cutaway chassis and probably this Cargomaxx come with a 4:10 gear ratio.
A 6 speed transmission sounds great! Especially since cutaway chassis and probably this Cargomaxx come with a 4:10 gear ratio.
chefdennis
Veteran Expediter
I think the the body above the mid body line is wider then the standard cargo van because the upper body panels go straight up verses the curve of the factory side upper panels. So yea both vans appear wider from the mid body line up. I didn't think about the bigger tire for the increase in gvw on the single wheel chassis. There is defintely the bigger ft wheels and the rear wheels are the type used in the dual wheel setup also.....it has been to long since my chevy truck sales days, I am not sure if the dual wheel setup uses the same rear axle as the single wheel with just the addition of the dual wheels.....
You are right a 10,000 lb single wheel would be great..
So come on CARGOMAXX, get us the complete info....
Dang, and i said i wouldn't by another NEW GM PRODUCT.....
You are right a 10,000 lb single wheel would be great..
So come on CARGOMAXX, get us the complete info....
Dang, and i said i wouldn't by another NEW GM PRODUCT.....
The Allison never made it to the vans. The HD vans got the 4L80 or 4L85 E transmissions which were really great transmissions. The new 6L90 has been available in the pickups for a year or so and it is a winner. I don't think they will turn the full HP potential of the Duramax loose on it tho. The transmission would likely handle it mechanically, the problem is usually the limits of the lock up clutch inside the torque converter. We may possibly see 300 hp and 500 lb/ft of torque, this was what the 4.5L Baby Max engine was going to put out (that program has been cancelled
) as it was supposed to be mated with the 6L90 in half ton pickups.I would be fine with the de-tuned Duramax and the 6 speed. A 3.73 rear end would give you a very nice drivable and fuel efficient package. Will it get Sprinter type MPG's, doubt it, but if it gets 19-20 the savings on maintenance should equal out. The Duramax is capable of those numbers if you drive it right. 60MPH gets really good mileage out of his 06 Duramax one ton van.
Hopefully, Cargomaxx or whoever builds these things tags them at 9900 GVW. As the body builder, they are the manufacturer of the finished vehicle and they get to decide what the tag on the door says regardless of what GM built it to originally.
I hope they did some research and listened to some expediters!!!
Why not 9990?
chefdennis
Veteran Expediter
GM tags the incomplete vehicle door jam sticker for the dual rear wheel chassis as 9900 lbs for cargo cutaways, and 10,000 gvw for shuttle van chassis...the shuttle van chassis also makes its way into cargo haulers, i have a unicell quote with ine in mt hands now, the chassis is a new 2008 that is in the Champion bus pool....
I am having a brain fade, but i think the single wheel incomplete tag at either 9200 or 9600 gvw...but i can't remember...but as was said, "coach" builder adds the finish gvw tag and its up to them...here is hoping for at least 9900 on the sigle wheel.....
I am having a brain fade, but i think the single wheel incomplete tag at either 9200 or 9600 gvw...but i can't remember...but as was said, "coach" builder adds the finish gvw tag and its up to them...here is hoping for at least 9900 on the sigle wheel.....
Any answers yet?
Nothing yet!
greg334
Veteran Expediter
9660lb is the limit for single wheeled chassis.
BUT if I remember right this limitation was put on the vehicles because of tire liability issue back in the 80's. The chassis is actually rated at 12k for a reason.
You can, if I remember right just put a single wheel on the dually axle and drive safely with the right tire. With many of the LT tires having a 2500 lb rating at the low end (5000lbs on the rear axle), the 340lb margin is needed. But if one is to use a 3000lb rated LT tire, then that moves the margin passed the 1000 mark (6000lbs on the rear axle) which is alright.
The thing about silly Canadians is why do they get all the fun by having Bibendum on their trucks?
Now there's a guy that looks like he sleeps with little boys and inflatable toys.
60MPH
Expert Expediter
I called them about the cargomax It has a GVWR of 10,500 (single and dullay) I told the sales guy which is going to the expo that he needs to have one tagged at 10k to sell in this market. There primary focus is on the home delivery market i.e. fedex home delivery. Both the single and dullay are built on the 159" wheel base they just take off the out side wheel on the single verison. It has 14' of cargo space has a door height of 71.2" if I remeber correctly and it is made out of fiberglass with a steel insert, comes in at something like 7300 curb weight.
as for the highest chevy/gmc single rear wheel cutaway you can get from the factory it is 9900GVW for 09 and newer chassis. The model# is CG33503 with a 139" wheel base.
as for the highest chevy/gmc single rear wheel cutaway you can get from the factory it is 9900GVW for 09 and newer chassis. The model# is CG33503 with a 139" wheel base.
60MPH
Expert Expediter
Piper for 2010 Gm is throwing in that 6 Speed (not Allison) that they use in the pick-ups. I know they will mate it to the de-tuned D-max and possibly the 6.0 gasser as well, they are also changing the rear axle ratio to 4.10 for a diesel, no mo' 3.73 in a 3500 and 4500 van chassis. Since the 6 speed essentially has double overdrive the highway MPG should not get worse. I believe they are going to go with a 4.56 or a 4.88 in the gasser models that have the 6 speed in them. This will be good because it will give more take off power and less stress on the drivetrain. without hurting fuel economy at highway speeds. P.S. most body manufactures will tag a chassis at what ever you want as long as it does not exceed the manufactures set GVW. I know this to be true!! I know someone with a 3500 chevy chassis with a 177" wheel base that came from the factory as a 14.050 GVW and he had the box Manufacture tag it 10,000 GVW so he does not have to log and he can *safely* but not *legally* haul 5000K in his box.