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cubansammich

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There NO need to increase taxes, in any way shape or form. We only need to cut spending to go below the level of income. That would allow for a start on paying off the debt.

We need both, at least for a while. If you stop using your maxed out credit card and then only make the minimum payment the balance does not change much. An aggressive paydown is in order.
 

cubansammich

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They need to start Taxing these Churches to relieve debt crisis...pawn Rod Parsleys Rolex or Confiscate one of TD Jakes mansions.

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Arggghh. Don't get me started on Rod Parsley. He is a neighbor of a good friend of mine. The gluttonous stories I could tell you!
 

AMonger

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The catholic church is one of the largest owner of land in the world...yup it sure would make me feel GREAT!! Religion is a $$ making machine!!! ..all tax FREE!! Makes me sick when I see those aholes on TV begging for $$.. all in the name of the lord...and you are against the gays...there not robbing people blind !! Thats another of MANY reasons i HATE organized religion...hate the gays..but ok to beg and rob from old people..gays are just loving..not filling you full of false promises...

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Unfunded liabilities are over $200 trillion, well over. The Catholic church in America that would be subject to the tax is a small part of the Catholic church, and so only a small portion of their global assets would be recoverable, and the tax would be but a small portion of that. The idiots begging on TV, well, the charlatans among them, rake in what seems like a lot of money, but in the larger scheme of things, compared to the debt, it's a pittance, and again, the taxable portion of it would be a fraction of a pittance. So declaring religious entities no longer tax-immune, even if you could get it by the People, Congress, and the courts, wouldn't solve anything but making you feel better by punishing us evil religious people who don't like your precious sodomites, who are not loving, just perverted.
 
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Turtle

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Point taken but I believe it was Mr. Churchill who said that.
No reference to Churchill ever saying that. But in a 1976 TV interview for "for Thames TV This Week", Margaret Thatcher said, "...and Socialist governments traditionally do make a financial mess. They always run out of other people's money. It's quite a characteristic of them."

The oft quoted phrasing of "The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money," is simply a contraction of her original statement.

She also said, "“I think we've been through a period where too many people have been given to understand that if they have a problem, it's the government's job to cope with it. 'I have a problem, I'll get a grant.' 'I'm homeless, the government must house me.' They're casting their problem on society. And, you know, there is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first. It's our duty to look after ourselves and then, also to look after our neighbour. People have got the entitlements too much in mind, without the obligations. There's no such thing as entitlement, unless someone has first met an obligation."


And in the early 70s in a different time when it was still true, she said, "There are significant differences between the American and European version of capitalism. The American traditiionally emphasizes the need for limited government, light regulations, low taxes and maximum labour-market flexibility. Its success has ben shown above all in the ability to creqte new jobs, in which it is consistently more successful than Europe.”

Unfortunately, America has become more like Europe in many ways with unlimited government, heavy regulations, high taxes and very little labor-market flexibility. Thanks to an overreaching government, suffocating regulations and high taxes, we can no longer create jobs unless they're taxpayer funded jobs. Well, we do create jobs, it's just that most of them are created elsewhere, mostly in China and Mexico.
 

AMonger

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Yes I hate religion also. Religion and religiosity bind people up I believe in a relationship with J.C. that sets us free I dont believe these guys should be begging for money its not Gods plan where God leads God provides and doesnt need our cash> If Gods not providing for their ministry need than they need to examine themselfs and their motives and not beg. As far as hating gays the Word says ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God and their are none rightous no not one and our rightousness is as filthy rags that word rags in the greek is defined as menstrual rags. It also says they will know we are Christians by our love. We are to love the sinner and hate the sin. The next time someone calls themself A Christian and doesnt show love remind them of this and tell the teleavangilst to seek the Lord for his funds not people

Punctuation. Really.
 

layoutshooter

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We need both, at least for a while. If you stop using your maxed out credit card and then only make the minimum payment the balance does not change much. An aggressive paydown is in order.

Nope, raising taxes lowers revenue. We need MASSIVE spending cuts along with a complete revamp of the tax system. FAR too many not paying any. EVERYONE should pay taxes. NO excuses. No free rides anymore. Earn it or don't have it. We need to eliminate entire department and the spending attached to them. Along with most non-earned programs AND most foreign aid.
 

asjssl

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Unfunded liabilities are over $200 trillion, well over. The Catholic church in America that would be subject to the tax is a small part of the Catholic church, and so only a small portion of their global assets would be recoverable, and the tax would be but a small portion of that. The idiots begging on TV, well, the charlatans among them, rake in what seems like a lot of money, but in the larger scheme of things, compared to the debt, it's a pittance, and again, the taxable portion of it would be a fraction of a pittance. So declaring religious entities no longer tax-immune, even if you could get it by the People, Congress, and the courts, wouldn't solve anything but making you feel better by punishing us evil religious people who don't like your precious sodomites, who are not loving, just perverted.

AGAIN.. those gays are not RIPPING PEOPLE OFF!! You can try to justify your hatred...but there not duping people into giving away there $$ so the can get into a FICTITIOUS place in the sky...but they seem to justify holding there hands out ..but loving another human being is a sin...Hippocrates...Hippocrates ..biggest BS story ever told!!!!! problem is people like YOU been falling for it for thousands and thousands of years...cant prove it exist...
 

EASYTRADER

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GOD killed 2 people in the book of Acts for lying about their tithe. Isn't that interesting.

Romans says being queer is a judgement from GOD, explains why he did it and where they are going.

I'm not surprised by unbeleivers lame comments, but the things that so-called christians say that are wildly un biblical is always amazing to me.

Incidently GOD hates sinners, "Jacob hve I love but essah hve I hated", all this love the sinner hate the sin crap is exactly what's wrong with the US, and the US church. TOTALLY unbiblical liberal crap.

If you wanna believe depock chopra BS I'm ok ur OK, don't label it as 'christian' cause it ain't. When Jesus comes back he'll be bringing a sword, and it ain't gonna be a sword of love, that's for sure.

The message of the bible is repent cause GOD is ****ed at your evil, if you repent your sins can be forgiven through christs death, but without repentance stand by, cuase the fires being stoked, and you will pay fo your evil deeds. Sin and sinner will go down together.

I thank GOD daily, christ died for me for my sins are many, but I don't kid myself about what's coming and what's do to those who refuse to repent.

Right now counts forever, better not get it wrong!
 

EASYTRADER

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One other thing on the Hate the sin love the sinner unbiblical new age BS

People professing Christ who persist in sin, are to be warned twice once by the person who witnessed and second by the church elders. If the person refuses to repent tey are supposed to be booted out of the congretion and delivered over to satan.

I believe that is in 'Timothy', anyway when was the last time any of you so called believers saw someone tossed out of a congregation for continueing in 'sin', never.

The US church is dead right now, and it quietly died of loving sinners and hating sin a dctrine found nowhere in scripture.
 

jimby82

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God hates sin. Would he have sent his son to save those he "hates"? If we are all sinners, why even bother?

I think you are just wrong on this point. "For God so loved the world, that he sent his only son..." The world was (and still is) full of sinners. Why would God go to such extreme lengths to save something he hated?

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EASYTRADER

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Jim,

I guess what you're saying is were supposed to interpret the whole of the bible in light of one verse?

Incidetly all J 3:16 says is believers get saved. That's it, evrybody else gets thrown in a lake of fire.

BTW - all weak and fake christians only qoute 2 verses here they are "Judge not" and J 3:16. LOL the average bible is printed so there are 1000 pages, try reading the rest of the book, maybe you'd understand what those 2 verses actually are saying.

One other thing in the final judgement Jesus will separate the sheep from the goats, both claim to be followers, what happens to the goats?
 

jimby82

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Jesus pretty much summed up everything with Mark 12:31. I'll take His word about how we should behave toward others over everything else, including the rest of the Bible.
 
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