Calling all pet owners!

[Streakn1]

If eo sets up an exclusive use forum for pet owners, please put it in a subfolder down and out of the way to keep things from getting too tediously cluttered. Considering a major purpose of this site is to help people new to, or from outside this industry it seems that exclusivity turns this place into some kind of country club.

Why not just start something like the monthly locations thread but in the layover lounge. If exclusive use is a critical part of the idea then it doesn't belong here on eo.

eb

Let me ask this:
What are the carrier forums on this website? Are they not a place for like members, meaning FedEx drivers or Panther or Tri-State drivers, etc to have and using your words "an exclusive use forum" for discussions with like drivers leased to same carrier on topics exclusive only to said carrier? Is there not a reason for that rather than having certain discussions in the general forum?

Why wouldn't it also be a benefit to newbies (with pets) considering getting into our line of work to have access to experiences of the pet owners already out here with there pets. Anyone can read these (carrier) forums but not all can post on them. Same difference.

 

[Turtle]

OK Turtle, turning this thread in a new direction:

Since I'm not with FedEx, would the administrator approve permission for me (or anyone not affiliated with FDCC) to post on that thread? What would be its purpose?

I think so. I think if you can read there, you should be able to post there. Just look at all of the threads in the General Forum that were started there because someone could not post to one of the carrier forums to ask a question or to offer suggestions or ideas.

If you have a thread for truckers with on-board pets, whats wrong with making that a requirement of participating on that forum?

Read ebsprintin's reply. He said it best.

What would be the benefit of allowing "non-pet lovers" and their negative criticism onto a forum designed for trucking pet owners to share positive ideas and stories?

The free exchange of ideas and experiences, and the asking of questions from those who may be considering taking a pet on the road with them. Any negativity can either be used to present an alternative picture to the rosy one of positive ideas and stories to give readers a clearer picture of what it is like to have a pet on the road, or it can be easily dismissed or ignored if it lacks validity.

Did I say anywhere in my post that I wanted the forum monitored with a "heavy hand" and so on and so forth?

No, I said that. But, "A place that we whom choose to share ideas, stories, photos, etc regarding our pets could do so without negative criticism from non-pet lovers," is heavy handed where free speech that contains any hint of dissension is preemptively squashed, where only certain pre-approved people are allowed to participate, and if there is any negative criticism it is to be removed from the forum (that's what "without negative criticism" means).

Turtle, what happened to the days of adults being mature enough to keep their negative thoughts and comments to themselves when appropriate? Don't you think sometimes its better to keep one's month shut or figuretips off of the keyboard? Read what you just posted and then think about the reaction you just got. You sir attacked first. Expect a reaction you may not like in return. You are a CLASSIC EXAMPLE of someone whom would be counter productive to such a forum as your choice of words prove.

You set up a premise for an exclusive Utopian forum, for only the right kind of participants, and one that only allows specific ideas and viewpoints, and want it on a public forum. It's an exclusive little clique that doesn't even allow non-pet owners to ask questions. I'm simply making fun of how silly that notion is. Sorry if you think that's an attack.

You have just made my point to the administration of this forum. Are you reading Lawrence?

Why didn't you just say what you mean, that you want to start a members-only forum that doesn't allow Turtle to post there? At least that would be honest.

If I wanted to see a "pet owners" webpage, all I have to do is go on-line and I will find plenty. I'm speaking of a trucking pet owner's page which I believe would be quite productive her without the negativaty posted by you and others like you.

I think it would be a productive forum, too. I just don't like the idea, the very negative idea, of exclusivity and exclusion of other EO members just because you don't find them and their opinions to your liking.

Lawrence I rest my case.

Pretty weak case, tho. If all you'd have asked for is a Pet Owner's Forum, I don't think anyone would be opposed to it. But you had to go and qualify it with with exclusivity and exclusion. And it's an exclusion that won't keep anyone out that wants in, at that. It's not the forum that anyone could have a problem with, it's the attitude that you want to be able to silence those that you don't like or don't agree with that is unpalatable.

 

[Streakn1]

I think so. I think if you can read there, you should be able to post there. Just look at all of the threads in the General Forum that were started there because someone could not post to one of the carrier forums to ask a question or to offer suggestions or ideas.

Read ebsprintin's reply. He said it best.

The free exchange of ideas and experiences, and the asking of questions from those who may be considering taking a pet on the road with them. Any negativity can either be used to present an alternative picture to the rosy one of positive ideas and stories to give readers a clearer picture of what it is like to have a pet on the road, or it can be easily dismissed or ignored if it lacks validity.

No, I said that. But, "A place that we whom choose to share ideas, stories, photos, etc regarding our pets could do so without negative criticism from non-pet lovers," is heavy handed where free speech that contains any hint of dissension is preemptively squashed, where only certain pre-approved people are allowed to participate, and if there is any negative criticism it is to be removed from the forum (that's what "without negative criticism" means).

You set up a premise for an exclusive Utopian forum, for only the right kind of participants, and one that only allows specific ideas and viewpoints, and want it on a public forum. It's an exclusive little clique that doesn't even allow non-pet owners to ask questions. I'm simply making fun of how silly that notion is. Sorry if you think that's an attack.

Why didn't you just say what you mean, that you want to start a members-only forum that doesn't allow Turtle to post there? At least that would be honest.

I think it would be a productive forum, too. I just don't like the idea, the very negative idea, of exclusivity and exclusion of other EO members just because you don't find them and their opinions to your liking.

Pretty weak case, tho. If all you'd have asked for is a Pet Owner's Forum, I don't think anyone would be opposed to it. But you had to go and qualify it with with exclusivity and exclusion. And it's an exclusion that won't keep anyone out that wants in, at that. It's not the forum that anyone could have a problem with, it's the attitude that you want to be able to silence those that you don't like or don't agree with that is unpalatable.

God Turtle, after all that I don't even know where the begin! LOL

What are the carrier forums? They are exclusive to drivers leased to a specific carrier. Example: As much as I dislike FDCC and I am not afraid to tell it, why would admin allow a non FDCC member access to the FDCC forum,especially me? Don't you think that the FDCC drivers that utilized that "exclusive to their carrier" forum appreciate that there is a screening process to "post" on that forum thus keeping people like me with my "negative attitude" towards FDCC off of their forum. Yes, its their exclusive forum and I respect that. What I'm suggesting regarding a pet forum is no different.

I'm not the one that silences others. That is the job of the website admin. I'm just a member like you. As with the carrier forums, I'm just asking that if a pet forum were created, treat it in a simular fashion as the carrier forums.

Your "why didn't you just say what you mean.....At least that would be honest." is a just plain childish comment.

 

[Turtle]

God Turtle, after all that I don't even know where the begin! LOL

What are the carrier forums? They are exclusive to drivers leased to a specific carrier. Example: As much as I dislike FDCC and I am not afraid to tell it, why would admin allow a non FDCC member access to the FDCC forum,especially me? Don't you think that the FDCC drivers that utilized that "exclusive to their carrier" forum appreciate that there is a screening process to "post" on that forum thus keeping people like me with my "negative attitude" towards FDCC off of their forum. Yes, its their exclusive forum and I respect that. What I'm suggesting regarding a pet forum is no different.

Well, I don't want to bash the FECCers, as I do that often enough. I think that if you can read the carrier forums that you should be able to post there. The carrier forums should be a place where the primary topics of discussion should be carrier related, but they shouldn't be restricted from others posting there, as long as they can read there. If the carrier forums are to be exclusive, then make them exclusive. Otherwise, we have general expediter questions being asked and topics being discussed in the carrier forums, which explicitly implies (especially when you see it in the FECC forum) that only those who drive for that carrier are worthy enough to offer their opinion on the subject.

Because of a glitch, I once posted something in the FECC forum, and it wasn't even negative or anything. You'd have thought the Devil himself had just placed an order at Amazon for a pair of ice skates.

There are also carrier specific topics that prompt questions or comments from people who aren't with that carrier, either because they simply want to understand something and how it may relate to their situation, or because they may be interested in moving to that carrier. Exclusivity prevents that type of discussion.

I'm not the one that silences others. That is the job of the website admin. I'm just a member like you. As with the carrier forums, I'm just asking that if a pet forum were created, treat it in a simular fashion as the carrier forums.

Nice backpedal, but you specifically asked that the forum be free from negative criticism from non-pet lovers. The carrier forums are far from being free of negative criticism of any kind. Just how many pet haters do you think there are here, anyway?

Your "why didn't you just say what you mean.....At least that would be honest." is a just plain childish comment.

Perhaps, but it was in direct reply to your less-than adult comment that I was "a CLASSIC EXAMPLE of someone whom would be counter productive to such a forum," despite the fact that I am a pet lover and have 3 dogs, 3 horses, and a cat that none of the horses like even a little bit.

 

[pjjjjj]

My $0.02...
I'm sure there are just as many pet(s)-in-the-truck people as there are woods&streams people, so why not?
If you want it exclusive though, where the naysayers are going to be kept at bay so you don't have to take the heat, why not start a 'group' instead?
Groups are available to those with similar interests, the posts are visible to only those who sign up (I think?), and people don't generally sign up unless they have a (positive) interest.
The regular forums would not get all cluttered up with stuff that perhaps is not of interest to some/many.
Not sure though how popular the groups are, as far as remembering to check them and post there.

 

[highway star]

The pet forum is a neat idea. But, restricted? C'mon, this is just cats and dogs. What kind of offensive disagreement could there possibly be? So, you may get someone that thinks the truck is no place for a pet. Ignore it, discuss it, whatever. I'm a big dog lover but don't have one with me and I would still enjoy chiming in from time to time. I agree with the exclusivity of the carrier forums, but I just don't think this calls for that.

(Highway Star dons personal protective gear and hunkers down in a fortified bunker, knowing what can come of disagreement with the Shelled One.)

 

[TJ959]

A restricted site for pet owners? Gimme a break, next it will be spaniels only and then poodles only. I find myself agreeing with the shelled one on this one. So you have a great dog and he dies of old age or boredom. Would you have a grace period until you find a suitable replacement? Could you maybe rent one for a short time or would you be driven out until you can find a suitable replacement for your beloved Skippy? There's no way you will avoid a little unrest. There are breed snobs and dog lovers who hate cats and parrot people who hate everyone. Expecting anything else is a little unrealistic. People are people, you have to accept their warts along with their good points. I'm an animal lover and I'd love a pet related forum but excluding people sets my teeth on edge.

 

[pjjjjj]

We can't be excluding people or we will infringe upon their rights.

In fact, MY rights are being violated because I am not allowed to post a question or a comment in a carrier forum. That's just not fair! Maybe I want to consider joining a given carrier! My questions and comments are just as important as anyone else's!

 

[OntarioVanMan]

actually any posting restrictions in a public and supposedly OPEN forum is pretty silly....it sure comes off as not so open and public...

as ya said..there is an option to start your own group in here...if they elect to be private...

 

[greg334]

Well my 7 cents worth...

I think it would be a great idea if there was some proactive and fair monitoring of the threads but no way closed or special. Everyone has or can have a pet, for us who have too many, we can share important info like the mushroom thing.

why would admin allow a non FDCC member access to the FDCC forum,especially me?

This sticks out because it is a little sore topic with me. See I have read a few people posting in that forum who admit to not driving for FedEx any more. In addition to that, when there are threads in the general forum that are started by non-special members about a carrier, more or less all of them seem to be FedEx subjects, they get whisked away into the FedEx forum because someone b*tched about how unfair it is.

Yea make it open, maybe consolidate some of the less active forums under one section. I say this because I don't want to see EO become like a few other sites where there are 30 or more subjects (one I stopped counting at 60) on the forum home page which gets tiring to scroll through to find a subject.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

our Woods and Waters section works just fine for our outdoorsman type member and there is no problem there...

Greg likes dams...Layshooter doesn't....good discussion....some day we might actually find something Greg likes...even himself...*LOL*

 

[pjjjjj]

Well my 7 cents worth...

Does your value really increase by 250% when you become a member of the 10K Club?

 

[skyraider]

Pet forums are great, rite now Im deciding what color jug to pee in, do we have a forum on that too?

 

[greg334]

Does your value really increase by 250% when you become a member of the 10K Club?

No it is the fact that our cents cost us 3.4 cents to make so I used actual values and rounded up.

 

[pjjjjj]

No it is the fact that our cents cost us 3.4 cents to make so I used actual values and rounded up.

Hopefully you're joking

 

[OntarioVanMan]

Hopefully you're joking

Have you known Greg for a sense of humour?

 

[pjjjjj]

Have you known Greg for a sense of humour?

Well, if it's true, where can I take my penny stash to cash in?

 

[greg334]

Er ... I'm right here guys, you don't have to talk about me like I left...

No I'm not serious but a penny does cost more to make than a penny. I think if it was a business, they would have lost so much money they would be out of business in the first month.

 

[Dakota]

Pet forums are great, rite now Im deciding what color jug to pee in, do we have a forum on that too?

I saw a driver carrying his **** jug into the truck stop to empty it, while I commend him for not emptying it on the lot, at least he could find a **** jug that wasn't see through

 

[cheri1122]

To add my penny in the pond, I see no reason for exclusivity, either.
The carrier forums were set up that way [and I don't like it, personally] because of the tendency of many to bash & trash carriers for less than legitimate reasons.
Can't see that as being an issue here, really.