Caitlyn jenner

aristotle

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This has nothing to do with conservative or liberal. This has yo do with nature only, and nature says he (yes, I said... He) is male and always will be male. DNA does not lie.
I agree to an extent. I cannot believe the rank-and-file Democrat buys into this nonsense. This attempt to normalize aberrant behaviors comes from the Radical Left. It's the same crowd who would have us believe two men living together is marriage. The overreach by the Radical Left is astonishing. Does it bother ordinary Democrats that the President of the United States gives hearty approval to such perversions? We have a president dangerously detached from reality.
 

asjssl

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I agree to an extent. I cannot believe the rank-and-file Democrat buys into this nonsense. This attempt to normalize aberrant behaviors comes from the Radical Left. It's the same crowd who would have us believe two men living together is marriage. The overreach by the Radical Left is astonishing. Does it bother ordinary Democrats that the President of the United States gives hearty approval to such perversions? We have a president dangerously detached from reality.

It's not a perversion ...it's just who they are...as you automatically identify with who you are...its what there soul is regardless of any twigs & berrys..and to deny someone the opportunity to be happy is crazy

I sure don't think she deserves any awards..but does deserve the right to be who they are...

Thought christians were the loving ones..obivously not..you don't conform to the status quo. ..watch the F out..

Never seen or met a meaner judgemental group in my life. .jeeez
 

asjssl

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Here is your normalizing perversion...not Jenner in a dress..

See nobody up in arms over these people...hmmmm
 

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LDB

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There is no she to wish happiness or unhappiness upon. There is a he, Bruce Jenner, that is now choosing to pretend to be female. I don't wish Jenner anything negative but I certainly don't believe in what he is doing and don't believe him in any way special or deserving of any awards for courage. He also isn't in any way properly called she. That is an insult to all women of the XX persuasion.
 
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cheri1122

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Society has everything to do with gender roles, which are assigned according to one's apparent gender. Society has evolved to the point where I can do any job a man can, [in theory] as long as I'm capable, but not to the point where I can say I actually am a man, inside, and be accepted. But what if that part [the biology] is just one of the many things we haven't learned yet about the human body and brain?
Because we don't know it all, nor even close to it.
Maybe transgenderism is a psyche disorder, but those who insist it isn't, call it "dressing up" and "disgusting" are proceeding from an emotional place, not a knowledgeable one.
 

paullud

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There is no she to wish happiness or unhappiness upon. There is a he, Bruce Jenner, that is now choosing to pretend to be female. I don't wish Jenner anything negative but I certainly don't believe in what he is doing and don't believe him in any way special or deserving of any awards for courage. He also isn't in any way properly called she. That is an insult to all women of the XX persuasion.

It does take a lot to come out as being transgender. There is a great deal of hatred toward them and it is a risky thing. Look at the personal attacks and amount of people that are publicly announcing that Bruce is a still a man. If he wants to live as a woman then let him.

I personally don't think a transgender person is the sex that they want to be because biology is really clear on the matter. I have no issue with them living life as whatever sex they choose though. They can even ask that I refer to them as female or male depending on the case and I will do so out of respect. If they demand that I refer to them as their chosen sex then I will have an issue.
 

cheri1122

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Here is your normalizing perversion...not Jenner in a dress..

See nobody up in arms over these people...hmmmm

That JimBob Duggar doesn't see molestation as "unusual or cause for concern" is appalling. Even more so that "Most of our friends in church said their sons did it too" doesn't raise a red flag regarding the education those kids are getting. And these people are held up as role models?!
 

muttly

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I looked through a few articles and it's nothing but people with diseases that were given pity points.
Arthur Ashe died of AIDS. So the award winner having a physical illness wouldn't be much different than the person it was named after. It is not a requirement though. Most athletes have to deal with adversity. That is a part of playing any sport. An athlete having to deal with and sometimes overcoming a serious illness is a bigger obstacle.
 

muttly

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That JimBob Duggar doesn't see molestation as "unusual or cause for concern" is appalling. Even more so that "Most of our friends in church said their sons did it too" doesn't raise a red flag regarding the education those kids are getting. And these people are held up as role models?!
Did he say the first quote or your paraphrase? I thought they dealt with it immediately when they found out, just didn't contact authorities.
 

cheri1122

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Did he say the first quote or your paraphrase? I thought they dealt with it immediately when they found out, just didn't contact authorities.

According to the quote in post 47, he said it. And I have no problem believing it, as everything else he said is about how hard it has been for him, and Michelle, [but not their daughters!], and how Josh was "forgiven" long ago. He truly seems to have the actual victims mixed up. Reading the teachings of the homeschooling they subscribe to, that's not surprising.
 
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asjssl

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Ya..isn't who the sought out...in prison. For 50+ yrs for kiddy porn...then the 2nd person is up to some weird stuff to...lot of pediophile in that circle...
 

cheri1122

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I agree to an extent. I cannot believe the rank-and-file Democrat buys into this nonsense. This attempt to normalize aberrant behaviors comes from the Radical Left. It's the same crowd who would have us believe two men living together is marriage. The overreach by the Radical Left is astonishing. Does it bother ordinary Democrats that the President of the United States gives hearty approval to such perversions? We have a president dangerously detached from reality.

Sorry, Aristotle, it's the evangelical conservatives who are detached from reality. It doesn't bother "ordinary Democrats" [or ordinary Republicans, much, either] because they don't consider homosexuality to be a perversion. Nor do they have a problem with two men [or women] being married. Marriage is a man made concept, and what is man made can be changed by man, including the definition of marriage. The concept itself, of two persons wishing to vow fidelity to each other doesn't change - but it doesn't require that one person be male and the other female, either.
If the sacred nature of marriage is so important to some, why have they never made a big deal over preventing divorce?
 

Turtle

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I'm so trying to figure out what pedophilia, religion, or homosexuality has to do with Bruce Jenner.
 
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