Buy Health Insurance or Go to Jail...

[layoutshooter]

This is the FIRST time in history that an individual American is being FORCED by LAW to purchase a product. That is a BIG difference. As to Social Security and Medicare, they are PRIME examples why GOVCARE will be a major disaster. Those programs are bankrupt due to government fraud and coruption. More proof that socialism and it's programs will always fail.

Your grand kids are going to pay a terrible price. I will not see the true horror that this will bring. I am too old and will not live long enough. I will likely end up in jail. I have already told Dingellberry and the rest of the bunch the I am going to refuse to follow this law, it is unconstitutional and I will resist arrest with any means I have available to me. Mrs. Layoutshooter and I BOTH signed that letter to that fool. I have spent a lifetime fighting this scurge and will not stop now. Old habits die REAL hard.

 

[Oilerman1957]

This is the FIRST time in history that an individual American is being FORCED by LAW to purchase a product. That is a BIG difference. As to Social Security and Medicare, they are PRIME examples why GOVCARE will be a major disaster. Those programs are bankrupt due to government fraud and coruption. More proof that socialism and it's programs will always fail.

Your grand kids are going to pay a terrible price. I will not see the true horror that this will bring. I am too old and will not live long enough. I will likely end up in jail. I have already told Dingellberry and the rest of the bunch the I am going to refuse to follow this law, it is unconstitutional and I will resist arrest with any means I have available to me. Mrs. Layoutshooter and I BOTH signed that letter to that fool. I have spent a lifetime fighting this scurge and will not stop now. Old habits die REAL hard.

Layout, Its not the first time, Social security is a product as is medicare and govcare is just an option, you dont have to buy it, if you like your insurance, keep it. Your also forced to buy everything the gov buys, like a hammer, your forced to buy it through the taxes you pay.

 

[layoutshooter]

No, a PRODUCT is SOLD to a person by CHOICE. The others are government PROGRAMS. Bankrupt government programs at that.

MY insurance, a high deductable HSA program is being OUTLAWED by this law. I LIKE it and want to KEEP it. It gives ME and my wife CONTROL of OUR health care. WE have ALWAYS paid for our own health care and CHOOSE NOT to be forced to provide MORE charity to bums. I will fight this. I will NOT give up ANY freedoms to any MAN or Government. I am NOT a lemming.

I would like someone to show me just what part of our Constitution gives this government the POWER of LAW to dictate this to the People. Can you show it to me?

 

[Oilerman1957]

No, a PRODUCT is SOLD to a person by CHOICE. The others are government PROGRAMS. Bankrupt government programs at that.

MY insurance, a high deductable HSA program is being OUTLAWED by this law. I LIKE it and want to KEEP it. It gives ME and my wife CONTROL of OUR health care. WE have ALWAYS paid for our own health care and CHOOSE NOT to be forced to provide MORE charity to bums. I will fight this. I will NOT give up ANY freedoms to any MAN or Government. I am NOT a lemming.

I would like someone to show me just what part of our Constitution gives this government the POWER of LAW to dictate this to the People. Can you show it to me?

First, not everyone that will be helped by this is a bum, no i cant show it to you, can you show me where it says it cant? As far as by choice, that choice was made for you by the gov, just like the many choices they make everyday for us whether we like them or not

 

[layoutshooter]

The role of the Federal Government is laid out VERY clearly in the Constitution and the 10th amendment makes it VERY clear that IF it is NOT CLEARLY written in the Constitution it is NOT a federal government function and is reserved for the States and ultimately the People.

As to the rest. Then am I to assume that YOU believe that the government is in CHARGE and RULES the American People? Where did you learn history and civics? When I learned it we were taught that THE PEOPLE control the government here. That the government is subserveant to the People and that the government has NO power over the People. Are you happy to be ruled and controlled? I sir, am not. I was born a free man and will die one.

 

[Oilerman1957]

The role of the Federal Government is laid out VERY clearly in the Constitution and the 10th amendment makes it VERY clear that IF it is NOT CLEARLY written in the Constitution it is NOT a federal government function and is reserved for the States and ultimately the People.

As to the rest. Then am I to assume that YOU believe that the government is in CHARGE and RULES the American People? Where did you learn history and civics? When I learned it we were taught that THE PEOPLE control the government here. That the government is subserveant to the People and that the government has NO power over the People. Are you happy to be ruled and controlled? I sir, am not. I was born a free man and will die one.

Oh i was taught many things, like a mans word is his honor, like if you work hard you will be rewarded, like there was a santa claus, a easter bunny, a tooth fairy. Then came real life.The gov has controlled things since i was born and im 52, your free to do whatever you want to do if you can pay the price.

 

[layoutshooter]

And you are willing to accept being ruled? You are happy NOT being a FREE man? I feel sorry for anyone who would rather live as a slave than fight being ruled. It is the way it is because too many are just willing to go with the flow.

I quit my government job in part because I could no longer support the government as it has become. I took an oath to Protect the Constitution from all enemies. I am a man of honor. I see this government as an enemy of the Constitution and the People.

Living without freedom is a true slap in that face of all those who have died to give you this gift of freedom.

 

[Oilerman1957]

And you are willing to accept being ruled? You are happy NOT being a FREE man? I feel sorry for anyone who would rather live as a slave than fight being ruled. It is the way it is because too many are just willing to go with the flow.

I quit my government job in part because I could no longer support the government as it has become. I took an oath to Protect the Constitution from all enemies. I am a man of honor. I see this government as an enemy of the Constitution and the People.

Living without freedom is a true slap in that face of all those who have died to give you this gift of freedom.

Oh i agree, to many go with the flow, do I agree with how the gov. is run? nooooo. But until we stop voting in the same kinds of people and do away with private financing of politcians things will not change. As i have said before, until we the people start voting in people who are not wealthy and start voting in reg people the system will stay the same

 

[layoutshooter]

We MUST vote them out, ALL of them. We also have the RIGHT to resist. This bill is NOT legal under the Constitution and I choose to fight it. So does my wife. That makes TWO for sure. Care to join the push for freedom? A tax revolt will have FAR more clout than elections will. This government is corrupt and MUST be put in their place, which is out. You either accept being ruled or you must find the courage to fight them. There is NO middle ground. It is YOUR choice, freedom or slavery?

 

[Oilerman1957]

We MUST vote them out, ALL of them. We also have the RIGHT to resist. This bill is NOT legal under the Constitution and I choose to fight it. So does my wife. That makes TWO for sure. Care to join the push for freedom? A tax revolt will have FAR more clout than elections will. This government is corrupt and MUST be put in their place, which is out. You either accept being ruled or you must find the courage to fight them. There is NO middle ground. It is YOUR choice, freedom or slavery?

Well, its not just this gov. that is corrupt, it has been so for so longggggggg. This is why i dont say its Obama and his group, They have all been bought and paid for for a long long time. Money, corporations, lobbist have all controlled our gov. for decades

 

[layoutshooter]

That is correct. It gets worse with every passing year. They must be stopped. Obama is just the worst and the latest in a long line of scum that want to enslave this nation. The ONLY way to stop it is to fight it. Fight it in the voting booth first. That has not worked. The next step is to take away their power, which is money. You pay taxes the same way I do. DON'T pay them. You take away their monopoly money and they have NO power or control over you. The last resort is to fight them in the streets. It may come to that but I do NOT want to see it. I pray that it never happens, but if forced, I will join that fight at well. Living without freedom is NOT living, it is just waiting to die.

We have two choices, accept the status quo and live as slaves or stand up as FREE MEN with a backbone and just say no!!

 

[chefdennis]

from a fellow gun club member:

Heathcare bill = slavery

If you choose to drive a car you must buy insurance but you could always choose to not drive a car.

If you choose to have a phone you have to pay a special phone tax as part of your bill every month but you could always choose not to have a phone.

But the new healthcare bill actually requires that you pay a tax simply because you were born or go to jail.

Basically when you turn 18 you'll get a letter in the mail saying welcome to government health care, you first payment is due in 30 days, pay it for the rest of your life or we will come arrest you.

Many people have said that if the government tried to confiscate firearms that that would be crossing the line.

So what about this? Will you pay Pelosi's slave tax? If not the IRS will take everything you have (including your guns) and put you in jail.

I'm thinking that this is going to cross the line for a lot of people.

I'm thinking that a lot of people simply will refuse to be slaves.

I'm thinking that a lot of people are going to pull a Patrick Henry...

Give me liberty or give me death.

 

[DanielCarver]

I have had enough of this crap. I will not pay another dime in taxes. It is time to make a stand. If and when they come to collect their commie dues I will defend my home. These commies must be stopped now is the time Wake up!

 

[Oilerman1957]

from a fellow gun club member:

Heathcare bill = slavery

Your already required to pay taxes, no difference chef

 

[layoutshooter]

It is time to take a stand. Stand up against this take over of your life!! Either have courage and conviction and defend your freedoms or be content to wimp out and live in slavery. What is your pleasure? I KNOW what I shall do. I love the State Motto of New Hampshire: LIVE FREE OR DIE!!!

 

[DanielCarver]

layoutshoter you seem like a true proud strong American. I want you by my side when this hits the fan.

 

[Oilerman1957]

All im saying is i dont see health care for everyone as a bad idea, id rather see the gov. spend the tax dollars on health care then funding studying cow farts on the climate and all the other things they fund

 

[OntarioVanMan]

wonder how the insurance carriers will respond....

especially since it will be the government scrwing us over instead of them....maybe the insurance companies are jealous?

Oh wait they 'll just takes turns on bending us over...

 

[Oilerman1957]

wonder how the insurance carriers will respond....

especially since it will be the government scrwing us over instead of them....maybe the insurance companies are jealous?

Oh wait they 'll just takes turns on bending us over...

well, if i was an insurance company i would be fighting this all the way, cant blame them, its alot of money were talking about

 

[chefdennis]

oiler wrote:

Your already required to pay taxes, no difference chef

Ahhh sorry but i have screwed the irs out of tax dollars for over 30 yrs...all legally and using there own rules....it takes creativity and a accountant that is also like minded...you pay, i'll continue to keep as much of my money as i can. just as an example, i have sent tax returns in that showed $.33 as my income for the yr....and yes i have been audited more then one time , some ive won, some ive lost, i am still way ahead of the game....not bragging, just stating what anyone can do if you look and do the work....

oh and my wife will not file with me, she files as an "injured spouse" to cover herself....