Bringing back the firing squad.

Ragman

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"A more Humane way to kill somebody"

​Amazing, just amazing! What is wrong with these people!!!!!!!!!!!!



SALT LAKE CITY (AP) — In the wake of a botched lethal injection in Oklahoma last month, a Utah lawmaker says he believes a firing squad is a more humane form of execution. And he plans to bring back that option for criminals sentenced to death in his state.


Rep. Paul Ray, a Republican from the northern Utah city of Clearfield, plans to introduce his proposal during Utah's next legislative session in January. Lawmakers in Wyoming and Missouri floated similar ideas this year, but both efforts stalled. Ray, however, may succeed. Utah already has a tradition of execution by firing squad, with five police officers using .30-caliber Winchester rifles to execute Ronnie Lee Gardner in 2010, the last execution by rifle to be held in the state.


Ray argues the controversial method may seem more palatable now, especially as states struggle to maneuver lawsuits and drug shortages that have complicated lethal injections.


"It sounds like the Wild West, but it's probably the most humane way to kill somebody," Ray said.


Utah eliminated execution by firing squad in 2004, citing the excessive media attention it gave inmates. But those sentenced to death before that date still had the option of choosing it, which is how Gardner ended up standing in front of five armed Utah police officers. Gardner was sentenced to death for fatally shooting a Salt Lake City attorney in 1985 while trying to escape from a courthouse.


He was third person to die by firing squad after the U.S. Supreme Court reinstated the death penalty in 1976. A couple other death row inmates have opted to die by gunfire instead of lethal injection in Utah, but they are all several years away from exhausting the appeals of their death sentences, Assistant Utah Attorney General Thomas Brunker said. Ray's proposal would give all inmates the option.


Lethal injection, the default method of execution in the U.S., has received heightened scrutiny after secrecy and drug shortages in recent years and the April incident in Oklahoma, when inmate Clayton Lockett's vein collapsed and he died of a heart attack more than 40 minutes later.


Ray and lawmakers in other states have suggested firing squads might be the cheapest and most humane method.


"The prisoner dies instantly," Ray said. "It sounds draconian. It sounds really bad, but the minute the bullet hits your heart, you're dead. There's no suffering."
Opponents of the proposal say firing squads are not necessarily a fool-proof answer.


It's possible an inmate could move or shooters could miss, causing the inmate a slow and painful death, said Richard Dieter, executive director of the Washington, D.C.,-based Death Penalty Information Center, which opposes capital punishment.
"The idea is that it would be very quick and accurate but just a little movement by the person could change that," he said. "Things can go wrong with any method of execution."


He cited a case from Utah's territorial days in 1897, when a firing squad missed Wallace Wilkerson's heart and it took him 27 minutes to die, according to newspaper accounts of the execution.


Dieter said that if Utah brought back firing squads as a default option rather than leaving it up to inmates to choose, as was the practice before 2004, it could be challenged in court.


The U.S. Supreme Court upheld the use of the firing squad in 1879, but as tastes have changed in the country since then, Dieter said it's possible a modern court could rule the practice violates an inmate's protection from cruel and unusual punishment.


Beyond the legal challenges, Dieter said it will probably bring back the kind of "voyeuristic attention" the state wanted to avoid.


For Ray, the option makes sense to avoid a situation like Oklahoma or legal fights over the blend of drugs used in lethal injections.


"There's no easy way to put somebody to death, but you need to be efficient and effective about it," Ray said. "This is certainly one way to do that."
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Utah lawmaker: Bring back firing squad executions
 

muttly

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Ragman. I'm inferring from your OP question that you think the firing squad method is LESS humane? If it is an instant death, isn't there less suffering?
 

Turtle

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"A more Humane way to kill somebody"

​Amazing, just amazing! What is wrong with these people!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well, what are your suggestions for a more humane way to carry out an execution?
 

Ragman

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Ragman. I'm inferring from your OP question that you think the firing squad method is LESS humane? If it is an instant death, isn't there less suffering?
I'm inferring, the death penalty should by done away with.
 

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I'm inferring, the death penalty should by done away with.

I believe that the families of the victims should decide what is to be done with them. WITH only one stipulation, the offender may never walk the streets free again. After that, the sky is the limit.
 

RLENT

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I'm inferring, the death penalty should by done away with.
The phrase "death-penalty" and/or the word "execution" don't belong in the same sentence with the word "humane" ... unless there is also a word which indicates that they are not ...

To say that they are is oxymoronic ...
 

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The phrase "death-penalty" and/or the word "execution" don't belong in the same sentence with the word "humane" ... unless there is also a word which indicates that they are not ...

To say that they are is oxymoronic ...
Not necessarily. If you are going to execute someone because of a crime they committed, you can carry out the execution humanely, or quite brutally and mercilessly. So brutal, or merciless, may be the word you are looking for.

An example of a brutal execution is where someone is forced to endure prolonged and excruciating suffering, writhing in pain for 38 minutes, while waiting for their heart to explode.

An example of a humane execution would be the guillotine, used only on someone who has been heavily sedated under general anesthesia. But that's never happened.

In 2012 there was a study done by the British Journal of American Legal Studies which examined 9,000 executions from 1900 to 2012, and it found 270 of them were botched. That's three percent. The most botched method, by a wide margin, is lethal injection.
 

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execute Ronnie Lee Gardner in 2010... Gardner was sentenced to death for fatally shooting a Salt Lake City attorney in 1985 while trying to escape from a courthouse.

A convicted murderer gets 25 years of life after being found guilty and sentenced and all some can find fault with is the method of execution or the thought that convicted murderers shouldn't forfeit their life.
 

Ragman

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A convicted murderer gets 25 years of life after being found guilty and sentenced and all some can find fault with is the method of execution or the thought that convicted murderers shouldn't forfeit their life.
In the mean time, how many have been convicted that didn't do it. I have posted several examples in the past.

As long as death penalty laws exist, the chance of a wrongful execution exists.
 

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In the mean time, how many have been convicted that didn't do it. I have posted several examples in the past.

As long as death penalty laws exist, the chance of a wrongful execution exists.

As long as a murderer is alive there is a chance that he/she/it will murder again. Even IF they are in prison.
 

muttly

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Agree, the guillotine probably is the best method. Ironically, the method viewed as most humane (lethal injection) might have too many flaws. Curious why we don't use the guillotine. If we are going to have the death penalty, the only objective should be to put the person to death as quick as possible.
 

RLENT

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In the mean time, how many have been convicted that didn't do it. I have posted several examples in the past.

As long as death penalty laws exist, the chance of a wrongful execution exists.
Blackstone's formulation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The intentional taking of an innocent life as an act of vengeance makes one a murderer.

Unfortunately some have little to no qualms about allowing or even advocating such ...

Such is the bloodlust of Man ... at least some men anyways ...
 

layoutshooter

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Unfortunately this it true, but we CAN NOT allow our laws to allow for a wrongful execution, yet we do.

We also have to make sure that a murderer can never kill again, yet they do. I would even be willing to guess that FAR more murderers kill again, than mistakes are made.
 
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