Breaking News From CNN......Mike Vick gets 23 mths

[arkjarhead]

RE: Breaking News From CNN......Mike Vick gets 23

The part in my 1st reply where is say "I'm Jesus" was supposed to say "I'm glad Jesus".
I have an American Bulldog. She looks alot like a pit. We got here from a guy my wife was working for. He got a new dog and decided he didn't want baby girl anymore so he quit feeding her. She stayed at the lot where his big trucks parked and where the office was at. Robyn started sneaking her food. The guy was always saying he hoped one of his drivers would run her over with the big truck. Robyn asked if we could take her, and he said sure. She's like a big bundle of joy. She's like a daughter to us. I couldn't imagine putting her in a ring to fight.
I have seen people hook pit bull up to wagons filled with bricks and make them pull those around to make them stronger. Do you think greyhounds don't get their butts beat when they lose? I know they do. I have a good friend that works at Southland Greyhound Park in West Memphis. Plus he works for a kennel. The first kennel he worked he said they were pretty mean to the losing dogs. He says the one he works for now isn't mean to the dogs but nice. From what he told me the only reason racing dogs isn't considered inhumaneis due to the treatment then animals get is because there is alot more money in dog racing than there is in dog fighting.
Most people in the underground dog fighting circuts are poor ghetto thugs, cheap gangsters, and white trash. Which I feel pretty sure Mick Vick fell into one of those catergories before he went pro.

 

[Suds43]

RE: Breaking News From CNN......Mike Vick gets 23

"I just don't see where someone should have to right to keep someone else from taking part in their chosen profession because they made a few bad choices. Everyone has broke the law in one way or the other. Just everyone hasn't been caught."
Hey Ark, go get yourself a felony conviction and see how many companies will hire you to drive otr.........It won't happen no matter how "sorry" you are, or IF you "did your time", or if you "made a mistake".

to X06col, some people deserve to be treated like dogs (Micheal Vick), and most animals deserve to be treated like decent people. The very best friend I've ever had in my whole life was my dog when I was growing up. Unconditional loyalty and love. Always by my side no matter what!! How many people in today's world can you say that about??

We, my wife and I, are the proud owners of a miniature pinscher...the most loving, caring little guy........Wouldn't hurt a flea, BUT I dare anyone to raise their voice in anger or raise one finger towards either of us, I gaurentee you'll get a hand full of very sharp teeth! Treat him with respect and kindness and he's your best buddy.
Do we treat him like a person?? You bet we do, and proud of it!!!!!

 

[x06col]

RE: Breaking News From CNN......Mike Vick gets 23

suds. By your side doing what?? Looking for a handout? Happy to hear you enjoy your pup. Now if you had a Healer and a number of cows, and the healer made your life easier, I might agree with your analagy of how neat the fella is.

 

[arkjarhead]

RE: Breaking News From CNN......Mike Vick gets 23

I love my dog to death, and she loves me to. As long as I'm feeding her. As soon as someone else comes along and does all the feeding I'm sure she would have very little time left for me.

Suds your statement to be about committing a felony and see who would hire me to drive otr is correct. Doesn't make it right but it's correct. I feel that's one of the reasons prisons in this country have such a high return rate. The inmates do their time, pay their debt to society, whatever you want to call it and get out. Then no one wants to hire them because of their past. So they go back to dealing dope or whatever to make a living. Then people like you look down on them. When all the while they got out of prison with good intentions and you people expect them to survive on some minumim wage job. It's like being sentneced to life for a petty crime. How do I know that the mojority of reoffenders committed the crime twice out of necessity? Because I used to work with them and talk to them on a daily basis. Some 18 year old kid who was born to drug addict parents who offer no guidance gets in with the wrong crowd starts slinging dope and gets sent to prison. Does his 2-3 years gets out and is treated just like a murderer.

I've seen these kids work so hard in prison. Some don't even know how to read when they come in. They learn to read and write and are very proud of that. Then they get their GED. Proud of that to. Start reading the Bible and see how all their sins can be forgiven and get saved. The learn about how Christians aren't supposed to hold ones past sins against them. Then get out of the pen and the main ones that deny them employment are so called Beleivers.

Plus everyone wants an example made out of Vick. Why wasn't an example made out of Irvin who had constant run ins with the law? You can still see that convict on tv making money of the NFL every week. Alot of you "Old School" guys fail to realize that the "Old School" football players were just as screwed up if not more screwed than the young ones. The old school guys got by with more because the media focused on celebs less back then.

So I guess all of you with your holier than thou attitudes basiclly think regardless of what someones crime is they should be given a life sentence. Because if a man can't work he might as well be in the pokey where he can get three hots and a cot.

Plus you never know. The way the law is getting so crazy something my happen one day to you. You might run someone over and kill them. Accidently of course. They figure out what you were doing wrong. Next thing you know they slap charges on you. I know of a driver who thought his trailer was clear of the railroad track but it wasn't. Train comes and hits it. Pushed the truck into a car and someone died. He got sentenced to 20 years for Invluntary Manslaughter. By your guys definition his mistake should cause him to have to leave under a bridge the rest of his life one he gets out of the can. He shouldn't be allowed to work ever again in his life in his chosen profession. 10 years of sccident free, ticket free commercial driving should be forgotten because of his mistake that took maybe 5 minute to happen. Oh and by the way the person who died was drunk and had no business on the road. Toxicology proved that and the fact that he was using cocaine. No wonder he stopped 15 feet from the stop light and wouldn't pull up when the trucker started hooking after seeing his error and that a train was coming. Bad deal.

 

[greg334]

RE: Breaking News From CNN......Mike Vick gets 23

Ark man, there are two different issues here, one is what I call crime and punishments of the common man and the other is what I call crime and punishments of a professional.

Keeping this in perspective, we have accepted crime and criminals as normal and it should not be at all. We say that this one got off but that one didn’t and we forget what our system is about. Each case is and should be looked at separately from others like it, this is part of our system of law. Our system, even though it has a bunch of flaws, is still the best you can ever have from any place in the world now or in the past. But because we are accepting crime as a normal behavior when something is done wrong, like the border guards issue, we are so numbed by the subject we don’t care. In that case there is no checks and balances going on and if it happened 50 years ago, I think the people would be rather p*ssed off.

I am harsh on crime, being a victim more than once and having the criminal walk away was not a good experience. So I take the old position that punishments are for criminals, not giving them a holiday. There is no debt to society that can be paid, if is it a crime with a victim involved, then the debt is to that victim – not to society. If it is a victimless crime, which there really is no such thing when you look at it, it is society that is victimized.

Now the issue of the common man is one that most of us do actually try to live within the law, many times we fail and we have to pay the price. The price is punishment which does include a loss of freedoms and such and depending on the crime; it could be for the rest of their lives which is alright. You understand there is a cause and effect operating here. The punishment is a deterrent to a crime, but today we have taken that deterrent out of society and replaced it with acceptance and this is where I think people in general don’t get the vick thing.

As a profession, you have an obligation to make sure you at, well professional – that is more or less above the common man in much of your life and your punishment should be more than what a common person should face, even losing your career. In the past the media did focus on sports ‘stars’ as much as they did anyone else and they were less forgiving then, then they are now. Your entire career rested on your behavior and how you presented yourself because you represented the team and the owners of the team and if they didn’t feel you did your job, out you went. As I told someone else that the best thing that today’s Hollywood stars could ever ask for is the return to the studio system where they made sure you acted properly – look today at the scum we call stars and how they all act. Well in Vick’s case, flipping off the reporters is not professional, neither is lying to your bosses about a felony and neither is forgetting who actually pays your salary, the people who you represent.

We accept the behavior of these sports professionals and it mocks our basic social fabric when you really look at it, I mean how many kids try to follow in football players foot steps and copy their behavior. I bet you that you can look at some at risk kids and see where their hero are placed in their lives and see that they are repeating their hero’s actions.

The problem, like I was trying to point out by asking the question “what are you going to do?†in my first post is really the fans themselves. All this complaining will not change the fan’s behavior at all.

I mean that the fans acceptance of the behavior of the players shows contempt for morals and society – the world can be crashing around them they wouldn’t care, just give them the games.

Oh that all sounds familiar – ROME.

 

[Suds43]

RE: Breaking News From CNN......Mike Vick gets 23

Hey Ark, I also worked with inmates for over 5 yrs. So don't give me that whine and cry about the poor convicts.............they all cry that their innnocent and ##### and moan how society owes them!! B.S.!!! If they were innocent they wouldn't be there in the first place...We're all given the opportunity of choice in this country....
I"ve worked with men that have "done their time", and what do they talk about??? How innocent they were and life on the "inside". How easy it is to get drugs "inside"....Easier than on the street. Then they get out, get a job and a little cash, most of that cash goes right back into their old habits that landed them in jail to begin with. It's their choice to make.....no one forces them to do anything.......
I know this one guy that did 2 yrs. for drugs..........he always said, that if he was ever caught again he'd do the time instead of being on parole and being free to work......simply because it was easier to do the time than it was to live on the straight and narrow like the rest of us law respecting citizens.........
Did he say he had learned his lesson and never wanted anything to do with drugs again?? NO........just that "if" he was caught, he'd do the time. And I"ve talked with many,many,many ex-con's with the same attitude.......don't stop what they were doing illegally, just don't get caught the next time. Don't whine to me about the "poor criminal"!!

Greg is right,What about the victims????????????
That's the real tragedy.........

 

[arkjarhead]

RE: Breaking News From CNN......Mike Vick gets 23

So you think there aren't any inmates they weren't wrongfully convicted? I know there are. Watch the news. It hasn't been to long ago that a 3 or 4 men were released from prison who had been there for 20-30 years. They were released because DNA evidence proved they were innocent. The point I'm trying to make is if someone wants to go on the straight path after doing their time they should be allowed to. Evidentlly some go straight if not wouldn't the return rate be even higher than it is now?

 

[greg334]

RE: Breaking News From CNN......Mike Vick gets 23

" So you think there aren't any inmates they weren't wrongfully convicted?"

Ark,
The numbers of those who are found innocent don't justify the changes they speak about. I think that even the one group in Chicago has a backlog of 15,000 cases they review and the head of that organization said something like .1% of the cases have some evidence that they may not have committed the crime but I also think he said that taking in account of all the prisoners, there may only be .01% or less that can be innocent.

The cost of a trial, the cost of housing, feeding them and the cost of medical treatment and education is a lot of money which in my opinion we should not be educating prisoners if they are doing life sentences.

This is the only industry that should be outsourced, send a lot of these guys to Turkey.


AND.....
I just read the letters written by vick and from others supporting him. In his letter he says that he is a changed man, so I wonder if he is going to prove it and retire from Football to show that his career is over. Hank Aaron has lost all my respect as a professional completely now, his barry bonds congrats was the start. I won't buy a foreman grill now. AND the city of Atlanta condones this behavior by having the mayor supporting Vick - disgusting.