Brakes on real trucks!

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Today I was taken out of service by my company. I had received a full thorough inspection (company) on the 12th of June, on the 14th, I was pulled into an Ohio scale for another inspection which pt me out of service for mis-adjusted brakes.

Well I adjusted the brakes and went on my way being really ****ed off at the waste of time over the company inspection because the mechanic didn’t look at the front brakes close enough. I emailed the DOT paper work in with an explanation of the company inspection and so on.

Today, I was knapping and awoke to a call from the compliance department informingme that they never received a copy of the DOT paper work. So I sent it again and then I get another call from another person who informs me that I have to go get the truck repaired due to the fact that there is something seriously wrong with it – Assumptions are dangerous.

What they wanted me to do first was to have the thing checked out, even to the point of pulling the wheels. So I explained to the service manager where I am sitting right now for the night, and he said we will first do a visual and check everything out. They did and here is what they found;

The self adjusters were fine; the problem was with on of the clevis pins that attached to the brake rod. These two clevis pins hold the self adjuster to brake rod with one holding the adjuster plunger and the other holding the self adjuster unit, there is a small one and a large one. The small one does not really move much but enough to allow the adjuster to pull up the adjustment rod for the wheel inside (I think I got that right). Mine were frozen, which is a common problem, and something I never thought of or checked before.

The mechanic wrote up exactly what he found, he also pointed out that the s-cam shaft has play in it but then said that many of the new trucks have more play in their shafts but he has to add that to the WO. I asked him how much time would it take to do the work and he said not much at all but he is booked full until the morning. So I asked the service manager if I can do the work and they inspect the work and write it all up as an inspected job – sure not a problem.

So I took the small clevis pins out of each brake, wire brushed them and replaced them with anti-seize compound. It took me about an hour and a half to do the work, trashed another shirt but it is finished. Oh and I greased the truck again to make sure it was done. The right pin was the hardest, I had to beat it out and then it took some cleaning to get it to move easily.

They rechecked the work I did, amended the WO and I am sitting in their parking lot, eating gourmet pizza and enjoying the breeze.

The thing is –

1 - the mechanic who did the first inspection should have caught this, he is the one who is experienced enough to know these things. The DOT inspector mentioned there was a problem with the adjuster but I wasn’t sure about what he was talking about and as the compliance lady pointed out, they are not mechanics so they don’t always put it in mechanical terms.

2 – I did the work for two reasons, one is to learn about what I may need to do as regular PM and inspections and the other is to make sure it is done to my satisfaction.

3 - After this last inspection, I am going to get out of the truck and tell them I want to see the inspection being done and if they give me any grief, I will call the company and complain. I think there is no excuse for this mess and I depend on my truck to be safe at all times, which means I can only trust the mechanic so far. The mechanic who did the work today was more than happy to let me watch and ask questions.

4 – brakes are not really complicated, some make it out to be so complicated but they are not. There are two books out there for free that are really good (go figure they are Canadian), caution they are PDF files. These two books go into detail on how the system works and even goes into how to adjust the brakes.


Air Brake Manual

And

Air Brake Manual 2
 
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ATeam

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Retired Expediter
Is a driver or owner-operator (deemed an "employee" for purposes of FMCSR) legally allowed to do this kind of brake work?

FMCSR 396.25 comes to mind, especially:

"(c) No motor carrier shall require or permit any employee who does not meet the minimum brake inspector qualifications of §396.25(d) to be responsible for the inspection, maintenance, service or repairs of any brakes on its commercial motor vehicles."

Does the work described above meet the definition of "
maintenance, service or repairs" under the reg?
 

Dreamer

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Charter Member
I wouldn't think replacing a couple of clevis pins would be regulated like more intense brake work. Tho time consuming, anyone should with minimal skills should be able to do that. I would see this as part of normal maintenance.

Thanks for the info Greg.. this is exactly the kind of stuff we had in mind for this forum. How many would think to ever think to check those pins while inspecting their brakes? Also, thanks for the .pdf files... very informative!



Dale
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Dreamer, I figured I would hit the new forum with something useful and exciting. Maybe I should have had Moot edited it for effect?

Phil,
Good follow up.

"Is a driver or owner-operator (deemed an "employee" for purposes of FMCSR) legally allowed to do this kind of brake work?"

Yes.

If you read a little further down, in 395.25 (e), it says....

(e) No motor carrier shall employ any person as a brake inspector unless the evidence of the inspector's qualifications, required under this section is maintained by the motor carrier at its principal place of business, or at the location at which the brake inspector is employed. The evidence must be maintained for the period during which the brake inspector is employed in that capacity and for one year thereafter. However, motor carriers do not have to maintain evidence of qualifications to inspect air brake systems for such inspections performed by persons who have passed the air brake knowledge and skills test for a Commercial Driver's License.

With that in mind, if you go back to 395.25 (b)....

(b) For purposes of this section, "brake inspector" means any employee of a motor carrier who is responsible for ensuring all brake inspections, maintenance, service, or repairs to any commercial motor vehicle, subject to the motor carrier's control, meet the applicable Federal standards.

Even though in Part E, the words
maintenance, service, or repairs are not used, the words Brake Inspector is which implies that under Part B, there is an assumption that the Brake Inspector is one who inspects, maintains, services, or repairs meet the applicable Federal standards.

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Does the work described above meet the definition of "maintenance, service or repairs" under the reg?"

Yes, it does.
From what my experience has been, be it aircraft, truck or car, if the worked is done by a layman but it is inspected by a certified professional, than it is as if the certified professional did the work as long as the work meets the criteria of the any regulatory body, in the case of an aircraft - the FAA and in the case of the truck - the FMCSR. By having the second inspection, the burden is again on the mechanic who signed off on the work, not me.

 
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arkjarhead

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I know when I was working for in agri chemical, fertilizer, and seed business they wouldn't hire you as a driver if you couldn't work on the truck you were issued to drive. We fixed 95% of our mechanical failures.
 

ATeam

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Researching this question further, I have learned that enforcement of the above-mentioned reg varies from state to state. Officials in some states allow drivers without brake inspector credentials to work on their own brakes, others do not. Let the reader beware. The best thing, of course, is to insure your brakes are in good repair before you roll across the scales where this may otherwise become an issue.
 

x06col

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US Army
Greg, welcome to the wonderful world of Landstar. They once placed me outa service and required me to DH to Charlotte for a safety training refresher after a German tourist backed into me at a toll booth in Chicago. They figgured I needed re-training because of a rear end collision.
 

x06col

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BTW, that wuz the end of that contract for me. Way too anal.
 

greg334

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Greg, welcome to the wonderful world of Landstar. They once placed me outa service and required me to DH to Charlotte for a safety training refresher after a German tourist backed into me at a toll booth in Chicago. They figgured I needed re-training because of a rear end collision.

Well I am not surprised. I didn't add the rest of the story and the time it took me to get things straight, it took my energy out of me and I returned home.

I almost had one of them tourist things happen to me at the health food store. After I parked my little truck, there was a car load of people from Russia who wedge themselves in between the lamp post and my truck and could not get out of the car.

I got back form Chi town a little bit ago and I saw one of them tourist things happen at the toll booth on the 294.

Researching this question further, I have learned that enforcement of the above-mentioned reg varies from state to state. Officials in some states allow drivers without brake inspector credentials to work on their own brakes, others do not. Let the reader beware. The best thing, of course, is to insure your brakes are in good repair before you roll across the scales where this may otherwise become an issue.

Phil, it don't matter. I am told the domicile state is what governs this issue by every DOT inspector I have run across, which now numbers about 30. Even though there may be some restrictions, like other issues, the guy who is doing the inspeciton is more concern with an immediate correction that passes his standards and put a safe truck on the road than what state requires who to do what work.

ALSO yes it is a great idea to make sure that brakes are in good shape but here is the problem in this case, I depend on the mechanic who is being paid to tell me what is wrong. Not only did the guy lie, for whatever benefit he thought it would help, he also falsified a (federal) document where if I got into an accident, I am liable because my name is on it too.
 
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