Black Friday - Time to stop the maddness

[tbubster]

the people that do the crazy stupid stuff are just hard workers. they are getting a $400 tv for $200 .

yes it is stupid the way they act on black friday . but they are no differant than anybody else . each one of you look for deals on the things you buy also . and say you work hard for what you got . so why are you any better then they are on black friday

dont you think it is time you stop and think what your standards are .

i think some of you need to get the ADs from this last black friday not from 5 years ago . all the ads that i saw none had only limited 2 to a store . but some did have 2 limit pre person

and as far as the stuff they fight over . they dont need it . you dont need the things you like to do then . if you believe they dont need a tv , then you dont need your books .

Speaking for myself only.I am much different then many who shop on black friday.I dont care how good of a deal it is I will not pepper spray nor knock someone over to get to that item first.I know what my standards are and in no way do I need to change them for others.It seems to be forgotton that there were millions of people who went and stood in lines for hours and in some cases camped out for days and acted like grown ups when the doors opened.

As far as people being shot that was people who were lying in wait for people in the parking lots.They belong in prison and chances they will strike again,no matter if there is a big sale or not.chances are it was not the first time these scum have robbed people.Also chances are if they were not waiting in a parking lot for shoppers to rob they would have been somewhere else breaking the law.

No the true meaning of christmas is not taught like it should be.In the 80s the ACLU started sueing to stop the display of the true meaning of christmas.As this country has welcomed more and more people into of different belifes it has become taboo to say merry christmas.With people being told it might offend someone to say merry christmas how are we going to teach the true meaning of christmas?Think about it when was the last time that you wished someone a merry christmas and you did not hear merry christmas back everytime.For fear of offending people we as a socity have turned to happy holidays.Myself it well always be merry christmas.

Sadly this type of behavior will become the norm.As this once great country becomes more and more accepting of peoples bad behaviors this will be no more news worthy then anything else.When someone is willing to put part of the blame on the stores they are in fact taking away the demand that people be held accountable for their own actions.When society takes part of the blame away you are in fact telling the people who act the fool thats its not all their fault.This is how things become the norm,how things go from being wrong to being accepted as a part of life.

Think im wrong just look at how drugs were looked at by society as a whole 40-50 years ago.Then look at how they are looked at now.Look around you and think about how it was when most of us were kids.We did something wrong we got the honor of picking out the smallest switch on the tree.Do that now and take the chance of going to jail for child abuse.It used to be when you got hired for a job you did that job and if you did not you got fired.Now for many companys through the force of unions it takes months to fire a lazy worker.It used to be people would only take loans out in the ammount they needed.Then it became what ever they wanted,in many cases knowing they could not afford to pay them back.Its the banks fault for loaning the money in the first place society says,they should have known people could not afford to pay them back.While ignoring the fact that the person taking the loan knew full well what they could and could not afford to pay back.

My point being that as society allowes for excuses and even in some cases looks for them in order to blame some one else for their actions we as a country fall farther and farther down with very few people looking for a way up.People acting they way they did during black friday will become the norm and in a way accepted.

 

[clcooper]

I don't act at all like those people who fight, pepper spray or what ever they do. No one can compare nuts to normal people. There is a big difference between wants and needs.

so you are saying it is not ok for those people to do that stuff . BUT IT IS OK FOR BUSINESSES .

tell me what the people needs are today .

Normal people know that difference. .

and who are the normal people . the people that think and believe just like you . DO YOU KNOW THE DIFFERENCE

I also don't by books so I have no idea what you are talking about.

if you think about what i said you will get the idea . ( do i need to list the things for each and everybody likes)

 

[clcooper]

Speaking for myself only.I am much different then many who shop on black friday.

why is it just about the people on black friday . and then you say about people doing other stuff . so it is ok for you to talk about the other stuff but i am not i need to only talk about black friday .

.I dont care how good of a deal it is I will not pepper spray nor knock someone over to get to that item first.I know what my standards are and in no way do I need to change them for others.It seems to be forgotton that there were millions of people who went and stood in lines for hours and in some cases camped out for days and acted like grown ups when the doors opened.

so if your dispatch calls you up and says you are #2 but they offer you the load . you are saying you wont take it out from under the guy in #1

and yes it seems it does get forgotten that there was millions people that acted like grown ups

As far as people being shot that was people who were lying in wait for people in the parking lots.They belong in prison and chances they will strike again,no matter if there is a big sale or not.chances are it was not the first time these scum have robbed people.Also chances are if they were not waiting in a parking lot for shoppers to rob they would have been somewhere else breaking the law.

i agree. you know what they are working hard to make their living also by being that way. so it is not ok for people to doing that stuff . only OK if they are working hard and are a business

No the true meaning of christmas is not taught like it should be.In the 80s the ACLU started sueing to stop the display of the true meaning of christmas.As this country has welcomed more and more people into of different belifes it has become taboo to say merry christmas.With people being told it might offend someone to say merry christmas how are we going to teach the true meaning of christmas?Think about it when was the last time that you wished someone a merry christmas and you did not hear merry christmas back everytime.For fear of offending people we as a socity have turned to happy holidays.Myself it well always be merry christmas.

i agree. but remember people all have different beliefs so who has the right belief ?? is it your beliefs ??

Sadly this type of behavior will become the norm.As this once great country becomes more and more accepting of peoples bad behaviors this will be no more news worthy then anything else.When someone is willing to put part of the blame on the stores they are in fact taking away the demand that people be held accountable for their own actions.When society takes part of the blame away you are in fact telling the people who act the fool thats its not all their fault.This is how things become the norm,how things go from being wrong to being accepted as a part of life.

i agree

Think im wrong just look at how drugs were looked at by society as a whole 40-50 years ago.Then look at how they are looked at now.Look around you and think about how it was when most of us were kids.We did something wrong we got the honor of picking out the smallest switch on the tree.Do that now and take the chance of going to jail for child abuse.It used to be when you got hired for a job you did that job and if you did not you got fired.Now for many companys through the force of unions it takes months to fire a lazy worker.It used to be people would only take loans out in the ammount they needed.Then it became what ever they wanted,in many cases knowing they could not afford to pay them back.Its the banks fault for loaning the money in the first place society says,they should have known people could not afford to pay them back.While ignoring the fact that the person taking the loan knew full well what they could and could not afford to pay back.

i agree . but you also need to think of why it happened . because of people beliefs. just like cargo vans should they have to log and have HOS like the bigger trucks . the cargo van drivers are going to say no . but the big truck are going to say yes . so who is right .

My point being that as society allowes for excuses and even in some cases looks for them in order to blame some one else for their actions we as a country fall farther and farther down with very few people looking for a way up.People acting they way they did during black friday will become the norm and in a way accepted.

i agree again . and when you have alot of differant groups that think their beliefs are the best .

you see the problems but you dont know why or how they got that way.

and i said it before people do stupid stuff on black friday . but now look and see why they do . and why the stores do what they do . 2 words greed and profit . for both

and as far as waiting a week and the price will be 75% less you need to get out from under your rock . go get the sales fliers and look at the prices and the products on black friday . then look in a few weeks late or when ever you want to . you will not see the prices as low as they were on black friday .

so it is ok for a business to look for deals but it is not ok for people to . like i said what standerd do you go by
(you is for all )

just like what this says
‎16,455 people have died from Swine Flu & everyone wants to wear a mask. 21.8 million people have died from AIDS/HIV & nobody wants to wear a condom. Ponder that.
do you wear a mask or do you wear a condom

should a boss need to stand over his workers all day . or should the boss be able to trust the workers to do the job right with out him being there .

 

[mjmsprt40]

If you think you have to push, shove, trample and pepper-spray people in order to get whatever you want for Christmas, then you really need to re-think this.

Supposedly, we're celebrating the birth of the Lord our Savior. If by any chance you've read even part of the Gospels, can you possibly imagine that Jesus is pleased with the behavior displayed at the shopping mauls--whoops, I mean malls--- at this time of year?

Even if you discard Jesus because you're a "Free-Thinker", is the display of greed we see on Black Friday the proof you want to give to the rest of us that you've been "thinking"? Somehow I fancy that you might want to re-consider. When five-year-olds act more adult than their parents do, you know something is out-of-kilter somewhere.

 

[cheri1122]

I went this week to walmart to get my son a wii video game system. It was for the most part civilized but then again I live in backwoods of Missouri.

They had a nice "take this number and when we call it come get your item". The numbers were from 1 to whatever the number of items were.

This is what I'm talking about: an organized way for people to get what they came for, without risking being trampled in the frenzied rush.
Shoppers may not need the stuff [like that's anyone else's call, snort] but if they want to buy it, and they want [or need] to pay the lowest price for it, should the risk of being trampled in a frenzied mob scene be required?
That was my point: the only thing that will stop the madness is the retailers who created it limited quantities, first come first served chaos, prices & hours that guarantee crowds waiting for the chance to get what they came for.
When the security guard was trampled to death a couple years ago, WalMart [especially] should have taken a sober look at their practices to ensure it wouldn't happen again - it just floors me that no one ever mentions that..

The hectic part was standing in line for 2 hours to pay for the wii, my wife's waffle maker and her Paula deen cookware.

And that's a reasonable 'price to pay' for something at a good price, if you want it.
What I'm saying is 99% of the shoppers didn't want to be part of a mob scene either, [The lady with the pepper spray aside, lol] they just wanted a good deal.

 

[cheri1122]

Speaking for myself only.I am much different then many who shop on black friday.I dont care how good of a deal it is I will not pepper spray nor knock someone over to get to that item first.I know what my standards are and in no way do I need to change them for others.It seems to be forgotton that there were millions of people who went and stood in lines for hours and in some cases camped out for days and acted like grown ups when the doors opened.

Really? I didn't see any sign of that - course, I stay far away from stores the whole weekend, myself, cause there's nothing I want enough to deal with the craziness.


As far as people being shot that was people who were lying in wait for people in the parking lots.They belong in prison and chances they will strike again,no matter if there is a big sale or not.chances are it was not the first time these scum have robbed people.Also chances are if they were not waiting in a parking lot for shoppers to rob they would have been somewhere else breaking the law.

Agree. shoppers are always a target for opportunists, and the more shoppers, the more crime is likely.

No the true meaning of christmas is not taught like it should be.In the 80s the ACLU started sueing to stop the display of the true meaning of christmas.

Excuse me, but I believe what they wished to stop was the blending of government & religion, or the appearance of a government sanctioned religion, which has not a blessed thing to do with the 'true meaning of Christmas'.
As this country has welcomed more and more people into of different belifes it has become taboo to say merry christmas.
That's funny: I hear that almost as much as I hear Merry Christmas, every year. [And I continue to say it, too.]
With people being told it might offend someone to say merry christmas how are we going to teach the true meaning of christmas?Think about it when was the last time that you wished someone a merry christmas and you did not hear merry christmas back everytime.For fear of offending people we as a socity have turned to happy holidays.Myself it well always be merry christmas.

Sadly this type of behavior will become the norm.As this once great country becomes more and more accepting of peoples bad behaviors this will be no more news worthy then anything else.When someone is willing to put part of the blame on the stores they are in fact taking away the demand that people be held accountable for their own actions.

Did you read what I wrote? How does putting part of the blame on the stores [for setting the stage for huge crowds & competition] take away people's responsibility? It doesn't, and I said so, first thing.

When society takes part of the blame away you are in fact telling the people who act the fool thats its not all their fault.

What I said is that the stores need to accept their part in creating the problem, which in no way excuses the people's actions.

This is how things become the norm,how things go from being wrong to being accepted as a part of life.

???? Not in my life.



Think im wrong just look at how drugs were looked at by society as a whole 40-50 years ago.Then look at how they are looked at now.Look around you and think about how it was when most of us were kids.We did something wrong we got the honor of picking out the smallest switch on the tree.Do that now and take the chance of going to jail for child abuse.It used to be when you got hired for a job you did that job and if you did not you got fired.Now for many companys through the force of unions it takes months to fire a lazy worker.It used to be people would only take loans out in the ammount they needed.Then it became what ever they wanted,in many cases knowing they could not afford to pay them back.Its the banks fault for loaning the money in the first place society says,they should have known people could not afford to pay them back.While ignoring the fact that the person taking the loan knew full well what they could and could not afford to pay back.



My point being that as society allowes for excuses and even in some cases looks for them in order to blame some one else for their actions

So why aren't the stores held accountable for their actions? Everyone is blaming the shoppers, [and they probably deserve it] including you, but they didn't create the 'musical chairs' situation, the store did. Where's their responsibility?

we as a country fall farther and farther down with very few people looking for a way up.People acting they way they did during black friday will become the norm and in a way accepted.

I hope not, but it could happen.....

 

[tbubster]

I hope not, but it could happen.....

Really? I didn't see any sign of that - course, I stay far away from stores the whole weekend, myself, cause there's nothing I want enough to deal with the craziness.

you lost me on that one.


Excuse me, but I believe what they wished to stop was the blending of government & religion, or the appearance of a government sanctioned religion, which has not a blessed thing to do with the 'true meaning of Christmas'.
That was part of it but it was also the real start of christmas becoming wrong.It was not long after that that schools started being sued for letting the kids sing christmas carols during plays.

That's funny: I hear that almost as much as I hear Merry Christmas, every year.
Not where im at its alot of happy holidays seemed like that way in michigan also.For me it seems as though I hear merry christmas less and less every year.

Did you read what I wrote? How does putting part of the blame on the stores [for setting the stage for huge crowds & competition] take away people's responsibility? It doesn't, and I said so, first thing.

The stores are there to make money.Just think of the crying and whinning about how greddy those stores are if they said ok no sales this year.I stand by what I wrote.Just look at the store in ny that was looted.First all the media outlets are trying to make it sound less then what it really was by calling it looting.It was not looting.The store was not going to open up its doors untill 10 am on friday.The people in line broke the doors down and went on a crime shoppong spree.They committed BURGLARY AND THEFT.They did not just loot as the media wants us to belive.Just the fact that the media outlets refuse to call it what it was takes away from the real crime that was committed.

What I said is that the stores need to accept their part in creating the problem, which in no way excuses the people's actions.
Why do you feel the need to blame the stores for doing what they are in fact in business main goal is to turn a profit.Why is it that no matter how good the deal is people can not act like grown ups and be civil towards each other.

???? Not in my life.
maybe you should pick up a news paper from some of the citys and towns you go through and read the local pages.If you see it or not yes in your life.

So why aren't the stores held accountable for their actions? Everyone is blaming the shoppers, [and they probably deserve it] including you, but they didn't create the 'musical chairs' situation, the store did. Where's their responsibility?
Again the stores are doing what they are in business to do.

I hope not too but sadly this is what I see happing

 

[clcooper]

The stores are there to make money.Just think of the crying and whinning about how greddy those stores are if they said ok no sales this year.I stand by what I wrote.Just look at the store in ny that was looted.First all the media outlets are trying to make it sound less then what it really was by calling it looting.It was not looting.The store was not going to open up its doors untill 10 am on friday.The people in line broke the doors down and went on a crime shoppong spree.They committed BURGLARY AND THEFT.They did not just loot as the media wants us to belive.Just the fact that the media outlets refuse to call it what it was takes away from the real crime that was committed.

and what time did they say they were open in the ad. find out why they people did it first . before you judge anybody . oh thats right the store can say and do anything the want because the are a business . if the ad said they were going to be open at 12 midnight . and then changed their minds and said we not going to open untill 10 am . oh thats right liying is not illegal

What I said is that the stores need to accept their part in creating the problem, which in no way excuses the people's actions.
Why do you feel the need to blame the stores for doing what they are in fact in business main goal is to turn a profit.Why is it that no matter how good the deal is people can not act like grown ups and be civil towards each other.
so if you are a business you dont have to act like grown ups and be civil towards others . so which standard do you go with
and so only a business is aloud to make a profit . so the people dont need to make a profit . a great standard

???? Not in my life.
maybe you should pick up a news paper from some of the citys and towns you go through and read the local pages.If you see it or not yes in your life.

words you need to say to your self

So why aren't the stores held accountable for their actions? Everyone is blaming the shoppers, [and they probably deserve it] including you, but they didn't create the 'musical chairs' situation, the store did. Where's their responsibility?
Again the stores are doing what they are in business to do. so a hitman is doing his job too that is what his business is too .

yep i dont go to work to make a profit i only go to work to make the business a profit . what a fool

I hope not too but sadly this is what I see happing

so what are your standard . agian it is just like a KKK meeting . people only need bread and water to survive . they dont need any shelter . BECAUSE we are still in the stone age . only the rich and special are aloud to have shelter , any enertainment.