Birth certificate
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You can download his certificate at whitehouse.gov
If you have Photo shop, you will be able to move the layers and find all kinds of mistakes. Not sure why they didn't flaten the layers before they posted it. As of yesterday that is, they may have flaten the layers by now...... I did not see where it listed his race.
If you have Photo shop, you will be able to move the layers and find all kinds of mistakes. Not sure why they didn't flaten the layers before they posted it. As of yesterday that is, they may have flaten the layers by now...... I did not see where it listed his race.
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dieseldiva
Veteran Expediter
Wow this is bigger that watergate!
YouTube - Washington Times: Newly Released Obama Birth Certificate Forensic Forgery - 4/29/11
YouTube - Washington Times: Newly Released Obama Birth Certificate Forensic Forgery - 4/29/11
Tennesseahawk
Veteran Expediter
Notice it's not the Post, but the Times... therefore it won't get media coverage.
I'll bet serious money that you posted that URL and then never clicked on it to see if you could indeed download the document from that site. And I'll win the bet. The Whitehouse's Web site is a .gov site, not a .com site.
Only to those who don't understand how scanning software works when scanning a document to a PDF file with the OCR setting on the software turned on. The layers are automatically computer generated, not manually generated as one would do with Photoshop. You can do it yourself, it's easy. If you scan a document with OCR enabled, convert it to a PDF, optimize that PDF, and then open it up in Illustrator or Photoshop, you will see the same layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. This is PDF scanning 101, sheesh.
So what are you saying Turtle? Are you saying this point about the layers is not accurate since the birth cert was obtained from a site that is not really the whitehouse?
[noparse]No, one doesn't have anything to do with the other. They are two separate issues, which is why I addressed them as such.
Whitehouse.COM was created to take advantage of idiots who incorrectly type in www.whitehouse.com instead of .gov when trying to find the Website of the Whitehouse. Idiots is a harsh term, since it's a common mistake, so common that someone created the .com domain to take advantage of the mistake. Every single government Website is a .gov domain, and without looking I would guess that every single government .gov site has a .com counterpart to take advantage of the mistake. The .com site is a site designed to get people to click on the links there which will make the domain name owner some money.
It used be be that nearly everything was .net, and when .dom came along people were typing in .net instead of .com, and people took advantage of those mistakes, too. Eventually, most .coms scooped up the .net equivalents and pointed those addresses to the main .com address (microsoft.net is a good example, where if you make that mistake, it'll take you to microsoft.com anyway). [/noparse]
The other issue is the point about the layers. It is incorrect because the people making it an issue are either stupid or ignorant about scanning software and OCR software and how it works. They see "layers" in a document and know that you can manually create layers in Photoshop, and think that all layers in all documents therefore can only be created manually in Photoshop, when layers have been a part of Adobe Illustrator since Illustrator 88 (version 2), and a part of OCR software since Ray Kurzweil invented OCR layering to differentiate between blocks of text and blocks of graphic images. Layers are used today in OCR software to separate out not only text and graphics, but to separate out successful and unsuccessful (or questionable) character recognition. The layers to be found in the birth certificate are classic OCR layers, and anyone who has had any kind of experience with OCR software knows it.
Tennesseahawk
Veteran Expediter
So what are you saying? The guy who uncovered this, and uses the software daily, doesn't know what he's talking about?
Yes, the guy on the video gives a pretty convincing argument for people like me who don't know a lot about layers and ocr, etc. so can you comment on what he is saying?
By the way.... at the beginning of this video, Obama says, 'The only people who don't want to disclose the truth, are people with something to hide'... did he really SAY that?? (Or is that like, fixed, too??) If he said that, that is hilarious!
So.............. are you telling me that if I scan a true copy of a government form onto my computer, and then open it in photoshop, I will be able to see all the layers? Like... before it had a signature, and before it had a seal, etc?
Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. Just because he uses the software daily doesn't mean he understands how it all works, or that he knows what he's talking about, because clearly he doesn't. Some of the things he said in the video are just bust-a-gut laugh out loud funny. It's like he got most of his computer knowledge from the movies or TV, where you can do things like manually override any computer that won't let you in, and use Visual Basic to create a GUI interface to trace an IP address. <snort>
Anyone who is familiar with OCR Layers or PDF Optimization Layers, how they work and how they are created (especially any old school Illustrator users from back in the day who used Illustrator before it had layers), should be able to spot these layers in an instant for what they are. People in the publishing industry have said as much all over the Web, too, where you have people who actually do know what they are talking about being disbelieved by people who don't know what they are talking about. It's hilarious.
Expert: No Doubt Obama's Birth Certificate Is Legit - FoxNews.com
The layers which are on the birth certificate are simply not the kind of layers that would be (or could be, for that matter) created by hand. They are either OCR computer generated or were created by Adobe Acrobat when the file was compressed, most likely a combination of both, where the PDF was compressed with Acrobat's OCR function turned on, and it would take someone who is intimately familiar with how OCR layers are generated to replicated it by hand, and even then it would be pointless task. One, there's no reason to do all that, and two, if someone did painstakingly go in and manually create those layers, they would, absolutely, have flattened the image before releasing. No one is likely to be competent enough to create those kinds of layers by hand only to be so incompetent as to not flatten the image, especially since the software warns you to do just that when you save it as a PDF file.
You, too can reproduce the same results as were found in Obama’s certificate. No photoshoping required. Not even any OCR required. Simply optimize a PDF for distribution using Acrobat, and separating the text from the background and surrounding areas helps with file compression and thus produces a smaller sized document for dissemination. The layers magically appear once its been optimized.
I just downloaded Trump's birth certificate, made sure it was flat with no layers, and had Acrobat "Optimize PDF" and it saved the file as a PDF file. I then opened that file up in Illustrator and see the same kinds of layers, just a snotload of them. Does that mean Trump released a forged birth certificate? I don't think so.
That's what happens when you Optimize a PDF, it separates out various sections for better compression. Every Quarterly Vehicle Maintenance Report I've sent into Panther has the same layers, because I Optimize the file to reduce it from 2-4 MB to one that's less than 500k. I guarantee you my Quarterly Reports are not forged.
But even if you choose to dismiss the actual truth and believe it's a forgery, do you really and truly believe that the most powerful man in the world, backed by the most powerful Intelligence and Government agencies in the world, would go through such obvious and amateur means to deceive the population, when the Government holds the actual records or the CIA or NSA could just create one from scratch in five minutes if they wanted to? I mean, really.
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You mean scan a filled-out form and get it back to its original blank state? No, it doesn't work that way. You can't scan a filled-out form and magically remove everything that's been added to the blank. At least not easily. You can do it, but it takes a bit of work. Some of the "fields" will be separated out either for OCR processing or compression, but some will be left untouched. It all depends on how the software is configured and what parts of the document the software sees as "background" and some as "foreground" to be compressed or analyzed. I scanned a filled-out Panther form and turned it into an electronically fillable blank form, but it took some doing. It would have been a Herculean task if it were not for the layers that were created, tho.
The guy in the video has a phone in his hand with a pull-out antenna similar to the very first cell phone I ever owned, a Motorola StarTac. Kinda blows his credibility as a geek. Unless pull-out antennae are now chic and the dude is into retro-geek.
Tennesseahawk
Veteran Expediter
LisaLouHoo
Expert Expediter
It is a lot of work. I did this as a joke a couple of times. Scan it, paste it into the paint program, then the filled out data can be marked out with the exact color 'paint' as the form background (and therein lies the big pain number 1)...then you use the text program within the paint app to refill the fields, matching font style and size and placement on lines and in boxes (pains 2-713). Takes forever.
But it dang sure was funny. And worth it.
"Bruises fade and bones will mend-but a psyche can be ruined FOREVER" : LisaLouHoo, c. 2008
chefdennis
Veteran Expediter
You know while i have no use for the him whatsoever, he did (after the heat from "The Donald" got too be too much) finally release what people have even screaming about for the last 3 yrs....I figure it is real..as Turtle said, he could have had one made from scratch in 5 minutes....
You and Turtle need a wedgie, uber-geeks!
Hawk, you must have me confused with someone else. I have to call Turtle just to re-install pcMiler on my computer.
Oh Great Shelled one. Yes! My mine knew .gov but fingers put in .com
You know first hand as your mine knew .com but your fingers put in .dom
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<snort>
You know first hand as your mine knew .com but your fingers put in .dom
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<snort>
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