Beat them to death
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For the few who send millions daily, cheating people out of thousands and thousands of dollars, all of their life's savings in some cases, perhaps. They are worthless evil trash as well and of no value to society at all. If that was made the official consequence and they chose to continue then yes. They aren't good for anything anyway. That's their choice.
How does one confront evil in a kind way?
ANYONE, regardless of age, race, creed etc, who would beat an old man to death is evil. This act of evil was not a mistake. It was not a crime of passion. It was not a lapse in judgement. It was an act proved that these evil thugs have no regard for anyone or anything. How do you confront evil when it is recognized? A sensitivity class? Why do I not thing that would work.
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.
We, as a nation, have been excusing evil for far too long. The results of that ignorance are becoming more evident with each passing day. We either stand up to those who are evil and put and end to it, OR, evil will control.
There has been no mention in this thread of excusing evil, nor of responding to it with kindness or sensitivity. Nor has there been any suggestion that the crime involved wasn't evil, or shouldn't be punished accordingly.
Which makes this an off topic rant that contributes nothing to the discussion in which people are trying to engage.
We, as a nation, have been making excuses for criminal activity and/or evil actions for a VERY long time. We tend to want to take the blame off of those who commit these acts and place it on "society" as a whole.
That is WHY we are seeing such increases in these kinds of crimes.
I don't know what the correct punishment for this would be. I doubt very much that ANY punishment will have the affect of stopping this sort of thing. It is my belief that this type of person should never breath in "free" air again. Lock the cell and through away the key would be a good start.
letzrockexpress
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Brisco
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And we had "Laws" of the Land back in the "Cowboy - Ranching - Western" times (Mid to Late 1800's) on the books that "Law Men" were hired to enforce. (Deputies - Sheriffs - Rangers - Etc)
If a Cattle Rancher caught a Horse/Cattle thief Red Handed........That Ranch Owner would take the Law into his own hands and HANG that thief from the closest tree available.
When the Family Members / Friends / Associates of that DEAD alleged horse/cattle thief would go to the Local "Law" enforcers over these Deaths.......Only response they would get was...."Oh Well....He did get caught stealing Cattle and or Horses"...........and that was that.
I am pretty sure that in todays society if the PUBLIC caught those 2 Animals that Killed this WW2 Veteran in the manner that they did, and the PUBLIC Hung both of these Animals from an Old Oak Tree somewhere.........that Prosecutors would have hard time finding 12 people from the PUBLIC that would ALL agree to Convict these "Vigilantes". (They'd probably have to move the whole Circus Act to San Francisco for ANY HOPE of a 12 member panel Unanimous Guilty Verdict)
I for one would have NO ISSUE supplying the Rope for the Hanging of these 2 Animals...................
cubansammich
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If the vigilantes are tried they could be acquitted. They could also be found hanging a week later, you would then scream for capture of their murderers I reckon. There are some darn words in some pesky old documents about the right to a trial and proof of crimes committed that get circumvented by mob rule mentality. I believe you are not entirely correct on vigilante crimes going unpunished in the old west. The often were not but they were at times punished and rightfully so.
As these sorts of crimes continue to increase, and they will, and the "justice system" continues to prove that it is totally incapable of stopping it, things will get done. Sooner or latter even the "hand wringers" will get fed up with it.
Government had better wake up. The time for blaming law abiding citizens for crime, and attempting to restrict their Rights and Liberty to control crime is past. They are either going to start controlling the thugs, and other assorted types of scum, or the law abiding citizens will do it for them. While not the best solution, it may soon become the ONLY solution. The corruption in government, the police and the courts may be too ingrained to control.
Government had better wake up. The time for blaming law abiding citizens for crime, and attempting to restrict their Rights and Liberty to control crime is past. They are either going to start controlling the thugs, and other assorted types of scum, or the law abiding citizens will do it for them. While not the best solution, it may soon become the ONLY solution. The corruption in government, the police and the courts may be too ingrained to control.
cubansammich
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Well jeez Louise what do you want them to do? Both suspects have been arrested and they face charges. Murder is nothing new in America, it is a sad case but the justice system appears to be working early on. Why take the law into our own hands? Would you support the Martin backers for taking the law into their hands for what they feel would be justice? I reckon those vigilantes would be murderers.
Supporting vigilante justice is a whacked out notion to support. It is not a thought out plan because you need to remember the vigilantes are not all on YOUR side of the issues. Think about the Hatfields and McCoys on a bigger scale, White vs. Black, Christian vs. Muslim, Left vs. Right on and on, vigilante justice could start a war among ourselves.
We are a nation of laws, it might be best to keep it that way and not jump to any crazy ideas of supporting vigilante justice. Just watch a couple of Chuck Bronson movies and fill that need for blood letting.
No one was supporting, what some call, vigilante justice. I would LOVE to see the "rap sheets" on these duds. I would be willing to bet it is longer than Obama's nose. We arrest and let go, arrest and let go, they continue to escalate until it comes to this. It is FAR too late now.
There also is NO POSSIBLE way for the police/government at ANY level to insure 100% of the population, 100% safety, 100% of the time. Everyone SHOULD be able to defend themselves, their families and property as needed.
The idea that crime can be "excused" or "understood" must stop. Parents are the FIRST line of defense, they have to start parenting. Right and wrong must be taught. Old fashioned, black and white, right and wrong. People need to be held responsible for their actions. ALL of their actions.
Crime is a CHOICE. People CHOOSING to commit unthinkable crimes, just for the fun of it.
I live near Detroit. This is almost no line between the criminals, city government and the police. They are all pretty much all the same. The only losers? Law abiding citizens. Of course, they did ask for it. THEY are the ones that keep electing the crud and scum that has a vested interest in the status quo.
cubansammich
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add Brisco's tree to string em up high.
Yeah nobody is talking about vigilante justice.
All I pointed out is that is EXACTLY what is going to happen, UNLESS, they start cracking down on crime. They have made NO effort to do that.
What is YOUR solution? How would YOU stop "thrill murders"? Would you continue the "revolving door" justice system? It's easy to poopoo other's frustrations and anger, but I never hear a solution from you. How would YOU stop the rising crime rates, insure safety on the streets and in people's homes, WITHOUT infringing on ANY Rights, Liberties, or Freedoms of law abiding citizens?
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What's your solution because so far you have not offered a viable one. What you call for is vigilantie justice despite the denials. It is easy to spout of some lame solution that would never work or be allowed in our country. Asking others to come up with one when you yourself have not done so is a bit of a stretch. Sure in the old days well guess what your no linger 5 and this is no longer the old days. You used to be able to own people, beat your wife and more should we return to those things also?
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I also did not suggest that I thought vigilante justice was the answer, I only said that is what we were heading for unless things change.
Let's look at this another way, same crime. Two or three evil disgusting thugs, decide to attack an 88 year old man, for the fun of it, or to gain entrance to a gang.
They start kicking an punching, him, with fists, bricks, feet and other assorted weapons. The man is down, hurt and in real trouble, his life is in danger.
Another man, with a CCW and carrying that day happens by, sees what is going on and double taps both the thugs saving the life of the innocent man, vigilante justice?
Mabye he should have just called 911, and waited for the cops to show up, which in may places that would mean the old man still dies, for no reason.
This was not a crime of passion. It was not to gain food, it was a thrill kill.
Just asking.
Let's look at this another way, same crime. Two or three evil disgusting thugs, decide to attack an 88 year old man, for the fun of it, or to gain entrance to a gang.
They start kicking an punching, him, with fists, bricks, feet and other assorted weapons. The man is down, hurt and in real trouble, his life is in danger.
Another man, with a CCW and carrying that day happens by, sees what is going on and double taps both the thugs saving the life of the innocent man, vigilante justice?
Mabye he should have just called 911, and waited for the cops to show up, which in may places that would mean the old man still dies, for no reason.
This was not a crime of passion. It was not to gain food, it was a thrill kill.
Just asking.