JustUsTrucking
Expert Expediter
i agree 100%. Afew bad apples.......
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Made In Detroit
Seasoned Expediter
I can admit when I am wrong, and I do stand corrected, thanks Chuck. Will it stop me from using it, no. Guess thats just the Comitteeman in me coming out. Greg, I just love it when you get your hackles up, you remind me of an old counterpart that I used to have to butt heads with on the shop floor on occasion. Keep the solidarity brother, it looks good on you. ;-)
rode2rouen
Expert Expediter
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>Will it stop me from using it, no.
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So,it seems you're exercising your constitutional right to be stoopid.
It will be highly amusing to read your future post, whining about the BIG fine you had to pay for getting busted with the Escort in your truck!
You should do us all a favor and put the Escort in your car and pay attention to what you're doing when you're driving your truck.
Rex
>Will it stop me from using it, no.
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So,it seems you're exercising your constitutional right to be stoopid.
It will be highly amusing to read your future post, whining about the BIG fine you had to pay for getting busted with the Escort in your truck!
You should do us all a favor and put the Escort in your car and pay attention to what you're doing when you're driving your truck.
Rex
chuckwagon
Seasoned Expediter
Thanks for admitting you were wrong and that you stand corrected - it takes a good person to admit they were wrong.
But, I am baffled at why you would still use the darn thing if you just admitted you know now it is against the law?
It makes no sense to me at all why you would be willing to break the law and admit to everyone that you know its' wrong but you really do not care.
It has nothing to do with your rights as an American and all that other BS junk you want to toss out there. Having constitutional rights is one thing but only obeying, upholding and defending the rights you like is total nonsense and ignorance.
But its' your choice to make - just don't
when you get nailed - because as you said I corrected your oversight!
But, I am baffled at why you would still use the darn thing if you just admitted you know now it is against the law?
It makes no sense to me at all why you would be willing to break the law and admit to everyone that you know its' wrong but you really do not care.
It has nothing to do with your rights as an American and all that other BS junk you want to toss out there. Having constitutional rights is one thing but only obeying, upholding and defending the rights you like is total nonsense and ignorance.
But its' your choice to make - just don't
when you get nailed - because as you said I corrected your oversight!
It's definitely illegal. It's definitely a poor and unwise choice. It's definitely your CDL to lose over a conviction. It's definitely not in any way related to Constitutional rights.
Bravo on circling the ticket number to signal a detector. There is nothing wrong with that and it isn't discriminatory and doesn't hinder the fair trial guaranteed us. It's no different than putting a checkmark into a box that says detector. It is a means to ensure the court is aware of a particular fact. Using some similar method to indicate race is wrong and should be condemned. There's nothing wrong with guaranteeing an illegal device usage is recognized.
Leo Bricker, 73's K5LDB, OOIDA Life Member 677319
Owner, Panther trucks 5508, 5509, 5641
Highway Watch Participant, Truckerbuddy
EO Forum Moderator
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Support the entire Constitution, not just the parts you like.
Bravo on circling the ticket number to signal a detector. There is nothing wrong with that and it isn't discriminatory and doesn't hinder the fair trial guaranteed us. It's no different than putting a checkmark into a box that says detector. It is a means to ensure the court is aware of a particular fact. Using some similar method to indicate race is wrong and should be condemned. There's nothing wrong with guaranteeing an illegal device usage is recognized.
Leo Bricker, 73's K5LDB, OOIDA Life Member 677319
Owner, Panther trucks 5508, 5509, 5641
Highway Watch Participant, Truckerbuddy
EO Forum Moderator
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Support the entire Constitution, not just the parts you like.
Made In Detroit
Seasoned Expediter
Dear Moot,
Escort is in West Chester Ohio.
Sincerely,
Me
Don't you people know that you are just feeding my ego. Nothing I love more than rabble-rousing. Read the mottos that seem to offend Moot so. Try as you may you're not going to get to me. Five years as a Union Officer gave me a very thick skin, as well as a very twisted sense of humor.
Escort is in West Chester Ohio.
Sincerely,
Me
Don't you people know that you are just feeding my ego. Nothing I love more than rabble-rousing. Read the mottos that seem to offend Moot so. Try as you may you're not going to get to me. Five years as a Union Officer gave me a very thick skin, as well as a very twisted sense of humor.
chuckwagon
Seasoned Expediter
Leo -
While there is nothing illegal about an officer making these notations, all I am saying is that I believe it to be wrong for the officer to try and influence a decision BEFORE the case would even go to trail - if it would even go to court.
As a former officer I am shocked that some officers will do just about anything to get out of having to appear in court - thus is some of the reason they make these notations.
The other reason is after ticketing you, most police officers write notes -- usually on the back of your ticket -- with details of why you deserved the ticket and what the conditions were at the time.
Just before trial, the officer will typically review his notes, and sometimes refer to them while testifying. With courtroom experience, an officer can often glance down at his notes every few seconds, rattling off a narrative that sounds like he was recounting something that happened yesterday. But the officer probably won't remember much about what happened, and since he doesn't want to be tripped up fabricating a detail, he will probably depart very little from their notes.
A person has a legal right to request a copy of these notes as well.
But the bottom line is - if the officer feels or knows you did something illegal - he should make the notations for the trail only and not an attempt to influence the judge.
Hey, I have no pity for speed freaks, truckers who drive like idiots, etc - but we are all entitled to a fair, level playing field in the courtroom and should not have to worry about pretrail tampering.
While there is nothing illegal about an officer making these notations, all I am saying is that I believe it to be wrong for the officer to try and influence a decision BEFORE the case would even go to trail - if it would even go to court.
As a former officer I am shocked that some officers will do just about anything to get out of having to appear in court - thus is some of the reason they make these notations.
The other reason is after ticketing you, most police officers write notes -- usually on the back of your ticket -- with details of why you deserved the ticket and what the conditions were at the time.
Just before trial, the officer will typically review his notes, and sometimes refer to them while testifying. With courtroom experience, an officer can often glance down at his notes every few seconds, rattling off a narrative that sounds like he was recounting something that happened yesterday. But the officer probably won't remember much about what happened, and since he doesn't want to be tripped up fabricating a detail, he will probably depart very little from their notes.
A person has a legal right to request a copy of these notes as well.
But the bottom line is - if the officer feels or knows you did something illegal - he should make the notations for the trail only and not an attempt to influence the judge.
Hey, I have no pity for speed freaks, truckers who drive like idiots, etc - but we are all entitled to a fair, level playing field in the courtroom and should not have to worry about pretrail tampering.
Dear Made In Detroit,
My intention wasn't to feed your ego with that post. But I will feed your ego with this apology. I assumed that most consumer electronics are made overseas. I threw in the Flint, Michigan just because.
Buying American made products is not an easy task. Especially electronics.
I apologize for my sarcastic and inaccurate remark.
I do not find your "mottos" offensive.
My intention wasn't to feed your ego with that post. But I will feed your ego with this apology. I assumed that most consumer electronics are made overseas. I threw in the Flint, Michigan just because.
Buying American made products is not an easy task. Especially electronics.
I apologize for my sarcastic and inaccurate remark.
I do not find your "mottos" offensive.
>While there is nothing illegal about an officer making these
>notations, all I am saying is that I believe it to be wrong
>for the officer to try and influence a decision BEFORE the
>case would even go to trail - if it would even go to court.
Huh? What decision? Circling a ticket number has no bearing on the verdict. The fact that an officer has written a ticket is more than enough of an influence on the judge that the officer feels that the accused is guilty. The only thing a circled ticket has any influence on is how much or how little leniency the court might show when it comes to the sentencing. Circling a ticket is a recommendation from an officer of the court in the event that the accused is found guilty, or pleads guilty. Nothing more.
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>As a former officer I am shocked that some officers will do
>just about anything to get out of having to appear in court
>- thus is some of the reason they make these notations.
>
>The other reason is after ticketing you, most police
>officers write notes -- usually on the back of your ticket
>-- with details of why you deserved the ticket and what the
>conditions were at the time.
>
>Just before trial, the officer will typically review his
>notes, and sometimes refer to them while testifying. With
>courtroom experience, an officer can often glance down at
>his notes every few seconds, rattling off a narrative that
>sounds like he was recounting something that happened
>yesterday. But the officer probably won't remember much
>about what happened, and since he doesn't want to be tripped
>up fabricating a detail, he will probably depart very little
>from their notes.
Which is why, as a potential alleged perpetrator, one should keep their hands in view at all times, stick to as many one-word answers as possible, and generally try to be as utterly forgettable as possible.
>notations, all I am saying is that I believe it to be wrong
>for the officer to try and influence a decision BEFORE the
>case would even go to trail - if it would even go to court.
Huh? What decision? Circling a ticket number has no bearing on the verdict. The fact that an officer has written a ticket is more than enough of an influence on the judge that the officer feels that the accused is guilty. The only thing a circled ticket has any influence on is how much or how little leniency the court might show when it comes to the sentencing. Circling a ticket is a recommendation from an officer of the court in the event that the accused is found guilty, or pleads guilty. Nothing more.
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>As a former officer I am shocked that some officers will do
>just about anything to get out of having to appear in court
>- thus is some of the reason they make these notations.
>
>The other reason is after ticketing you, most police
>officers write notes -- usually on the back of your ticket
>-- with details of why you deserved the ticket and what the
>conditions were at the time.
>
>Just before trial, the officer will typically review his
>notes, and sometimes refer to them while testifying. With
>courtroom experience, an officer can often glance down at
>his notes every few seconds, rattling off a narrative that
>sounds like he was recounting something that happened
>yesterday. But the officer probably won't remember much
>about what happened, and since he doesn't want to be tripped
>up fabricating a detail, he will probably depart very little
>from their notes.
Which is why, as a potential alleged perpetrator, one should keep their hands in view at all times, stick to as many one-word answers as possible, and generally try to be as utterly forgettable as possible.
Offensive? No, but a definite lack of common sense is represented by them. But, thats typical of bedwetters anyway. I guess madeindetroit is looking forward to the "Hillary" Clinton years... God help us all.
As I stated, I use a detector in my car but never my truck. Legality did'nt matter to me. I knew I wouldn't be driving fast anyway. Usually set the cruise at 63 and never over 65 and I still got a ticket but oh well, I paid it on line and forgot about it.
I do not agree that an officer has a right to influence the judge without being present in court. If the detector is being used illegally then by all means indicate so and fine as prescribed by law. If it is not illegal to have one then it should have no bearing on the disposition of the case unless the officer wants to come in and state so in court giving the offender the opportunity to hear and respond to his statement. The same goes for good attitude and bad attitude. As a typical dumb--- driving down the highway, how do I know about this "secret code" between officers and judge. There shouldn't be one.
As I stated, I use a detector in my car but never my truck. Legality did'nt matter to me. I knew I wouldn't be driving fast anyway. Usually set the cruise at 63 and never over 65 and I still got a ticket but oh well, I paid it on line and forgot about it.
I do not agree that an officer has a right to influence the judge without being present in court. If the detector is being used illegally then by all means indicate so and fine as prescribed by law. If it is not illegal to have one then it should have no bearing on the disposition of the case unless the officer wants to come in and state so in court giving the offender the opportunity to hear and respond to his statement. The same goes for good attitude and bad attitude. As a typical dumb--- driving down the highway, how do I know about this "secret code" between officers and judge. There shouldn't be one.
>I do not find your "mottos" offensive.
I do.
Being an American means buying American!!!
Saying that I am not American, or worse, un-American, if I should choose to spend my dollars on a product in a way that gives me the best value for my money, and that product is made overseas, is a little offensive.
In my view, "buying American" simply for the sake of buying American, especially for an inferior product, only supports the notion of not striving to be the best, of not beating the competition, of supporting a business that thinks it should exist in spite of not being the best. That's just, well, un American.
America didn't get to be Number One by just getting by, buy doing just enough to earn a paycheck, by asking for donations to help subsidize inferior products and workmanship. America got to be Number One by taking pride in their work, by being the best, against all comers, gimme your best shot. America got to be Number One by giving $30 an hour worth of work for $25.
Now, all too often, many Americans want to give $25 an hour or less worth of work for $30 an hour, they don't take pride in their work, they don't care if their work is just enough to get by, they think they are entitled to something they didn't actually earn, they know that foreign companies are beating them at their own game, yet, they want people to buy their inferior and/or overpriced Made In USA goods anyway, and because they are unwilling to put forth the effort to produce a better product and have the results of their labors stand on its own merit, they use patriotic guilt as a marketing tool.
I'm not buying it.
I do.
Being an American means buying American!!!
Saying that I am not American, or worse, un-American, if I should choose to spend my dollars on a product in a way that gives me the best value for my money, and that product is made overseas, is a little offensive.
In my view, "buying American" simply for the sake of buying American, especially for an inferior product, only supports the notion of not striving to be the best, of not beating the competition, of supporting a business that thinks it should exist in spite of not being the best. That's just, well, un American.
America didn't get to be Number One by just getting by, buy doing just enough to earn a paycheck, by asking for donations to help subsidize inferior products and workmanship. America got to be Number One by taking pride in their work, by being the best, against all comers, gimme your best shot. America got to be Number One by giving $30 an hour worth of work for $25.
Now, all too often, many Americans want to give $25 an hour or less worth of work for $30 an hour, they don't take pride in their work, they don't care if their work is just enough to get by, they think they are entitled to something they didn't actually earn, they know that foreign companies are beating them at their own game, yet, they want people to buy their inferior and/or overpriced Made In USA goods anyway, and because they are unwilling to put forth the effort to produce a better product and have the results of their labors stand on its own merit, they use patriotic guilt as a marketing tool.
I'm not buying it.
hondaking38
Veteran Expediter
i have a cb and 90% of the usefull traffic is are the scales open and where are the bears hiding, who cares unless you are speeding, does that meen i am breaking the law also..
Detroit - you and I are on the same page. About 15 or 20 years ago, I got a ticket going 5 miles UNDER the speed limit (I was following a dump truck) in TN. The trooper claimed I was going 14 miles over the limit and there was nothing I could say or do to prove otherwise. It dawned on me at that moment that these guys can ticket someone any time they want to and there's no recourse unless the accused happens to be traveling in a convoy of companions that he can round up to act as witnesses in court. To assume the integrity of all these troopers is beyond reproach is just being naive. There are some bad apples in that barrel too, and I want to know where they are. Therefore, since I can't handle the chatter on a CB any more I never travel without a radar dectector. I'm not using it to facilitate speeding or breaking the law - I'm just leveling the playing field.
nightcreacher
Veteran Expediter
Since the feds took the radar detectors out of our trucks,my tires have lasted longer,my brakes longer,and I have less tickets,I'm not saying I drive much slower.
That detector may be permitted in Michigan,I wouldn't suggest going in scale with it on your dash,you may be in for a shock.
and those drivers running truck stop to truck stop at 80 mph,glad im not buying the fuel
fed ex cc doesnt permit radar detectors either,dont get cought with one,or a ticket for one,can mean your lease
That detector may be permitted in Michigan,I wouldn't suggest going in scale with it on your dash,you may be in for a shock.
and those drivers running truck stop to truck stop at 80 mph,glad im not buying the fuel
fed ex cc doesnt permit radar detectors either,dont get cought with one,or a ticket for one,can mean your lease
chuckwagon
Seasoned Expediter
WOW!
I am not surprised that so many on this thread think that even though it is against the law to have the thing in a commercial vehicle that they have the right to 'even the playing field' with law enforcement.
I am not even surprised to hear so many on this thread think that most officers are liars, cheats, and forge the truth just to write us truckers tickets.
I can tell you that as a former state trooper and now a trucker that while there are some bad apples in law enforcement that are ##### sure some real idiots in trucking that can never be told they have to abide by the laws set by local, state and the federal government. They feel they have some unwritten right given to them that no one else is entitled too, that if they feel a law binds them down they can break it and no one should doubt that they do have such a right.
I am not surprised that so many on this thread think that even though it is against the law to have the thing in a commercial vehicle that they have the right to 'even the playing field' with law enforcement.
I am not even surprised to hear so many on this thread think that most officers are liars, cheats, and forge the truth just to write us truckers tickets.
I can tell you that as a former state trooper and now a trucker that while there are some bad apples in law enforcement that are ##### sure some real idiots in trucking that can never be told they have to abide by the laws set by local, state and the federal government. They feel they have some unwritten right given to them that no one else is entitled too, that if they feel a law binds them down they can break it and no one should doubt that they do have such a right.
Chuckwagon, I don't think anyone said (or believes) that most officers are liars. They do seem to be much more aggressively writing tickets, though. In my opinion, the reason isn't safety, it's pressure from above to produce revenue.
In Ohio, the Highway Patrol did a study on weekend crashes, concluding that there are no more wrecks on holiday weekends than any other weekend - yet if it's a holiday weekend, you will see the Ohio troopers out in force, writing speeding tickets. Call me cynical, but I wonder if the extra pay for holiday duty is the reason so many troopers are working, and the strain on the budget is why they write so many tickets? A few years ago, the Chief of Police in North Olmsted, Oh, which is a well known speed trap on 480, admitted that he'd been told by the City Council that the budget wouldn't support any overtime for his officers, unless they wrote enough tickets to cover the cost. Now, it's a rare drive through North Olmsted where you don't see the patrol cars on 480.
That is what causes the public to lose respect for LEO, and the greedy politicians who pull the pursestrings.
In Ohio, the Highway Patrol did a study on weekend crashes, concluding that there are no more wrecks on holiday weekends than any other weekend - yet if it's a holiday weekend, you will see the Ohio troopers out in force, writing speeding tickets. Call me cynical, but I wonder if the extra pay for holiday duty is the reason so many troopers are working, and the strain on the budget is why they write so many tickets? A few years ago, the Chief of Police in North Olmsted, Oh, which is a well known speed trap on 480, admitted that he'd been told by the City Council that the budget wouldn't support any overtime for his officers, unless they wrote enough tickets to cover the cost. Now, it's a rare drive through North Olmsted where you don't see the patrol cars on 480.
That is what causes the public to lose respect for LEO, and the greedy politicians who pull the pursestrings.
greg334
Veteran Expediter
Idiots in trucking?
Come on Chuck it seems that your statement is a little off there.
Well just kidding, I'm messing with you.
You said; "I can tell you that as a former state trooper and now a trucker that while there are some bad apples in law enforcement that are ##### sure some real idiots in trucking that can never be told they have to abide by the laws set by local, state and the federal government. They feel they have some unwritten right given to them that no one else is entitled too, that if they feel a law binds them down they can break it and no one should doubt that they do have such a right."
I agree with you.
As someone who trys to play by the rules, takes his work seriously and more so acts in a courtisy and professional manner most of the time, I have a real problem with the rights issue. There is no right to drive as much as there is no right to be a trucker. I may sound harsh but if you are say caught with illegal drugs in your truck (like the guy in upper state NY who was caught with 3 pounds of canabis), you made a career choice and should not be allowed to ever drive again period.
The same goes for multiple tickets and DUIs, I have absolutly no sympathy for idiots who get DUIs - off the road for life and never be able to drive a truck, no second chances.
As for the subject, a radar detector is there for one purpose for most people, to break the law. It is not made for entertainment or to inform you about critical information, but to break the law. The feds had a purpose in placing the clause in the rules that forbid you from possessing one, so the theory of corporations writting the law does not fit here.
Come on Chuck it seems that your statement is a little off there.
Well just kidding, I'm messing with you.
You said; "I can tell you that as a former state trooper and now a trucker that while there are some bad apples in law enforcement that are ##### sure some real idiots in trucking that can never be told they have to abide by the laws set by local, state and the federal government. They feel they have some unwritten right given to them that no one else is entitled too, that if they feel a law binds them down they can break it and no one should doubt that they do have such a right."
I agree with you.
As someone who trys to play by the rules, takes his work seriously and more so acts in a courtisy and professional manner most of the time, I have a real problem with the rights issue. There is no right to drive as much as there is no right to be a trucker. I may sound harsh but if you are say caught with illegal drugs in your truck (like the guy in upper state NY who was caught with 3 pounds of canabis), you made a career choice and should not be allowed to ever drive again period.
The same goes for multiple tickets and DUIs, I have absolutly no sympathy for idiots who get DUIs - off the road for life and never be able to drive a truck, no second chances.
As for the subject, a radar detector is there for one purpose for most people, to break the law. It is not made for entertainment or to inform you about critical information, but to break the law. The feds had a purpose in placing the clause in the rules that forbid you from possessing one, so the theory of corporations writting the law does not fit here.
jaminjim
Veteran Expediter
I have the perfect bear detector, but I seem to get pulled over alot when they see it. You can make your owne here's how.
1. Cut a fourteen inch lenght of string.
2. Purchase a FRESH donut w/ hole.
3. Tie donut so that it is hanging in your line of sight.
4. When it starts shaking from fear of being eatin, bear is near, so slow down.
This is a tried and tested and proven method. A;so great snack, when you pull in for your rest break.
Simpley repeat the next morning.
1. Cut a fourteen inch lenght of string.
2. Purchase a FRESH donut w/ hole.
3. Tie donut so that it is hanging in your line of sight.
4. When it starts shaking from fear of being eatin, bear is near, so slow down.
This is a tried and tested and proven method. A;so great snack, when you pull in for your rest break.
Simpley repeat the next morning.