barry wants to Trash Tricare

chefdennis

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[h=2]Yeap, barry is a "friend" of the military...he has nothing but their best interest in his heart. Wait, thats what he sayes about the "middle class" also...and i am sure he does, as long as they are "union" members, which we all know that our military is not....Yeap the CIC is doing his best to take care of the military...It lloks to me like he is trying to force them into barrycare....the more he can force there the hard it is to get rid of later even as it prove to e a failure and goes broke....Oh and he doesn't want this to take affect until 2013, AFTER the elections...doesn't want to "T" off those that he has their best interest in his heart.....

Trashing Tricare[/h]Obama to cut healthcare benefits for active duty and retired US military

BY: Bill Gertz - February 27, 2012 3:36 pm
http://freebeacon.com/trashing-tricare/

The Obama administration’s proposed defense budget calls for military families and retirees to pay sharply more for their healthcare, while leaving unionized civilian defense workers’ benefits untouched. The proposal is causing a major rift within the Pentagon, according to U.S. officials. Several congressional aides suggested the move is designed to increase the enrollment in Obamacare’s state-run insurance exchanges.

The disparity in treatment between civilian and uniformed personnel is causing a backlash within the military that could undermine recruitment and retention.
The proposed increases in health care payments by service members, which must be approved by Congress, are part of the Pentagon’s $487 billion cut in spending. It seeks to save $1.8 billion from the Tricare medical system in the fiscal 2013 budget, and $12.9 billion by 2017.

Many in Congress are opposing the proposed changes, which would require the passage of new legislation before being put in place.

“We shouldn’t ask our military to pay our bills when we aren’t willing to impose a similar hardship on the rest of the population,” Rep. Howard “Buck” McKeon, chairman of the House Armed Services Committee and a Republican from California, said in a statement to the Washington Free Beacon. “We can’t keep asking those who have given so much to give that much more.”

Administration officials told Congress that one goal of the increased fees is to force military retirees to reduce their involvement in Tricare and eventually opt out of the program in favor of alternatives established by the 2010 Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, aka Obamacare.

“When they talked to us, they did mention the option of healthcare exchanges under Obamacare. So it’s in their mind,” said a congressional aide involved in the issue.

Military personnel from several of the armed services voiced their opposition to a means-tested tier system for Tricare, prompting Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Martin Dempsey to issue a statement Feb. 21.

Dempsey said the military is making tough choices in cutting defense spending. In addition to the $487 billion over 10 years, the Pentagon is facing automatic cuts that could push the total reductions to $1 trillion.

“I want those of you who serve and who have served to know that we’ve heard your concerns, in particular your concern about the tiered enrollment fee structure for Tricare in retirement,” Dempsey said. “You have our commitment that we will continue to review our health care system to make it as responsive, as affordable, and as equitable as possible.”

Under the new plan, the Pentagon would get the bulk of its savings by targeting under-65 and Medicare-eligible military retirees through a tiered increase in annual Tricare premiums that will be based on yearly retirement pay.

Significantly, the plan calls for increases between 30 percent to 78 percent in Tricare annual premiums for the first year. After that, the plan will impose five-year increases ranging from 94 percent to 345 percent—more than 3 times current levels.

According to congressional assessments, a retired Army colonel with a family currently paying $460 a year for health care will pay $2,048.

The new plan hits active duty personnel by increasing co-payments for pharmaceuticals and eliminating incentives for using generic drugs.
The changes are worrying some in the Pentagon who fear it will severely impact efforts to recruit and maintain a high-quality all-volunteer military force. Such benefits have been a key tool for recruiting qualified people and keeping them in uniform.

“Would you stay with a car insurance company that raised your premiums by 345 percent in five years? Probably not,” said the congressional aide. “Would anybody accept their taxes being raised 345 percent in five years? Probably not.”
A second congressional aide said the administration’s approach to the cuts shows a double standard that hurts the military.

“We all recognize that we are in a time of austerity,” this aide said. “But defense has made up to this point 50 percent of deficit reduction cuts that we agreed to, but is only 20 percent of the budget.”

The administration is asking troops to get by without the equipment and force levels needed for global missions. “And now they are going to them again and asking them to pay more for their health care when you’ve held the civilian workforce at DoD and across the federal government virtually harmless in all of these cuts. And it just doesn’t seem fair,” the second aide said.

Spokesmen for the Defense Department and the Joint Chiefs of Staff did not respond to requests for comment on the Tricare increases.

The massive increases beginning next year appear timed to avoid upsetting military voters in a presidential election year, critics of the plan say.

Additionally, the critics said leaving civilian workers’ benefits unchanged while hitting the military reflect the administration’s effort to court labor unions, as government unions are the only segment of organized labor that has increased in recent years.

As part of the increased healthcare costs, the Pentagon also will impose an annual fee for a program called Tricare for Life, a new program that all military retirees automatically must join at age 65. Currently, to enroll in Tricare for Life, retirees pay the equivalent of a monthly Medicare premium.

Under the proposed Pentagon plan, retirees will be hit with an additional annual enrollment fee on top of the monthly premium.

Congressional aides said that despite unanimous support among the military chiefs for the current healthcare changes, some senior officials in the Pentagon are opposing the reforms, in particular the tiered system of healthcare.

“It doesn’t matter what the benefit is, whether it’s commissary, PX, or healthcare, or whatever … under the rationale that if you raise your hand and sign up to serve, you earn a base set of benefits, and it should have nothing to do with your rank when you served, and how much you’re making when you retire,” the first aide said.

Military service organizations are opposing the healthcare changes and say the Pentagon is “means-testing” benefits for service personnel as if they were a social program, and not something earned with 20 or more years of military service.
Retired Navy Capt. Kathryn M. Beasley, of the Military Officers Association of America, said the Military Coalition, 32 military service and veterans groups with an estimated 5 million members, is fighting the proposed healthcare increases, specifically the use of mean-testing for cost increases.

“We think it’s absolutely wrong,” Beasley told the Free Beacon. “This is a breach of faith” for both the active duty and retiree communities.

Congressional hearings are set for next month.

The Veterans of Foreign Wars on Feb. 23 called on all military personnel and the veterans’ community to block the healthcare increases.

“There is no military personnel issue more sacrosanct than pay and benefits,” said Richard L. DeNoyer, head of the 2 million-member VFW. “Any proposal that negatively impacts any quality of life program must be defeated, and that’s why the VFW is asking everyone to join the fight and send a united voice to Congress.”

Senior Air Force leaders are expected to be asked about the health care cost increases during a House Armed Services Committee hearing scheduled for Tuesday.

Congress must pass all the proposed changes into law, as last year’s defense authorization bill preemptively limited how much the Pentagon could increase some Tricare fees, while other fees already were limited in law.

Tricare for Life, Tricare Prime, and Tricare Standard increases must be approved, as well as some of the pharmacy fee increases, congressional aides said.
Current law limits Tricare fee increases to cost of living increases in retirement pay.
 

golfournut

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I have to do a means test annually for VA benefits. Last month, my copay doubled on the one and only prescription I take. From $9 to $18 per month. Still not bad considering it costs over $6k a month if I had to pay for it.

The Iraq war vets medical benefits end after 10 years from date of discharge. In the middle 70's there was a change to the education policy.

Slowly but surely the benefits for military personel are diminishing and the pay still sucks.

So where is the incentive to enlist. Oh yeh, you still get 3 squares a day. That must be it!

Maybe the politicians ought to change their program to the same incentive program they propose for the military.



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greg334

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I think that outside of specialized issues, a shift to Medicare for retirees will save money that we can't afford to pay.
 

golfournut

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That would be fine with me. The tax code, from what I remember, would have to be rewritten. When I was in, we only paid income tax, no SS or Medicare tax. The other issue I have is the legislative branch. My belief is, what the military personnel get, the legislature gets. Pay and benefits. No special privilege on pay and benefits.

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layoutshooter

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The military pays income tax, medicare, SS etc, except when they are in a combat zone. Their pay still sucks. The Putz in charge is going to ignore contracts signed, and continue to gut the military. The weaker he makes us the closer to war.

His plan? Try to eliminate military members who are NOT in love with his highness and stock the military with thugs who will goose step to his song. Remember the purges in Russia?


It makes sense to cut medical benefits when the military is forcing soldiers out on medical grounds, pumping them full of drugs etc.

Medicare and Medikade should be cut first. Those who served have already earned (yeah, I know that 'EARNED is a bad word these days) what they have now.
 

golfournut

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When did the tax change? Didn't use to pay income tax when overseas except when TAD which was 5 months 20 days tour or when stationed in a territory of the US.
I don't remember if I paid tax or if a value was added to total pay for on base housing. Didn't pay anything for it tho in terms of rent.

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jaminjim

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I guess I was one of the lucky ones. I got paid a whopping $0.94 per hour. When my brother went in his hourly pay was $0.29 per hour. That allowed me to save tons of money for my retirement.
 

greg334

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Any one in the military should not pay a penny in taxes but get the benefits. Shifting it to Medicare with tightening up Medicare is the best solution.
 

jaminjim

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Any one in the military should not pay a penny in taxes but get the benefits. Shifting it to Medicare with tightening up Medicare is the best solution.
I disagree, I don't see a problem while stationed stateside paying taxes. They should not pay taxes while in a combat zone.

I don't think they (we/me) should should be shifted into Medicare because Vets have service related health issues that the public don't have. We need to be to have Doctors that are familiar with those issues, so they can be properly diagnosed quickly. Stupid non life threatening example. Family Doctor tells me that I had a lot of ear infections as a child (hardly ever had one) Because of the tremendous amount of scaring of my ear (I'm guessing the ear drum). "Nope" I say, "Tanks". "Tanks?" (insert puzzled look here) "Yeah, you know those things that shoot a really big bullet". But when the VA Doc saw the same scaring he said "Cannon C***er?" Which I replied with some disdain "Nope, Cav." Thats all he need to hear because he knew what that meant.
 

golfournut

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I guess I was one of the lucky ones. I got paid a whopping $0.94 per hour. When my brother went in his hourly pay was $0.29 per hour. That allowed me to save tons of money for my retirement.

Starting pay when I went in was $114 a month. Sure leaves a lot left after buying your own boot polish and brasso. :)

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greg334

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First thing is that even stateside, the pay is lower than what is needed to raise a family or comparative to the outside world. There should not be one service member paying a dime and with the low amount of people in the military, the impact is nil to our tax revenue.

Second is I said not for speial issues, like a combat related injury that requires specialized care, but those are not the majority of the cases from what I'm told, something like 3% of all the care that is given (va adminstration is the source) of those who are in the system. So I would think that not eliminating the va system but shifting the payer system would work, seeing it works for the country.
 

Steady Eddie

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I guess I was one of the lucky ones. I got paid a whopping $0.94 per hour. When my brother went in his hourly pay was $0.29 per hour. That allowed me to save tons of money for my retirement.

You ever try to see what you get per hour now? Your (our), time is worth something, until you do your current rate per hour. lol
 

layoutshooter

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When I went in the Army, in 1970, my base pay was $.23 an hour. By the time I got out in 1973 I was making $.50 an hour. NOT BAD, eh? Then, when I got out, I was denied work because I was a vet. Gotta love it! :p
 

golfournut

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When I went in the Army, in 1970, my base pay was $.23 an hour. By the time I got out in 1973 I was making $.50 an hour. NOT BAD, eh? Then, when I got out, I was denied work because I was a vet. Gotta love it! :p

Did you get OT? ;)

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jaminjim

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I did my figuring at 60 hours a week. That was more or less standard work hours while in a TO&E unit while in Garrison.
Being in the Armored Cav meant that we spent more time in the field than most line units. Whenever there were 'War Games' we seemed to be needed to 'play' for one side or the other. Reminds me of one exercise that we did against a British unit, the 'Royal Hussars 13th of the 18th I think. Man did those guys play hard. (And drink hard afterwards)
 
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layoutshooter

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I did my figuring at 60 hours a week. That was more or less standard work hours while in a TO&E unit while in Garrison.
Being in the Armored Cav meant that we spent more time in the field than most line units. Whenever there were 'War Games' we seemed to be needed to 'play' for one side or the other. Reminds me of one exercise that we did against the British the unit, the 'Royal Hussars 13th of the 18th I think. Man did those guys play hard. (And drink hard afterwards)


We were told that we were 'on duty' 24/7/365. Uncle Sam OWNED us! We were also told that we were entitled to only what we were issued.

I was never in 'training' after I got out of my school. Once in the field I performed my MOS daily.
 
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