barry Leaves "By their Creator" Out of Declaration of Independence speech

LDB

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One more example of his not only being unfit to hold the office he holds but unfit to be allowed the privilege of being an American.
 

RLENT

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I suppose Quoting the Declaration of Independence right would be too much to ask of the elected idoit in the WH.
Idoit ?

Is that an I-do-it ? :confused:

Here's a couple of questions for anyone to answer to put this matter into more proper perspective:

Was Obama attempting to quote or read the entirety of the Declaration of Independence, from the very beginning to the very end ?

Or was Obama selectively quoting portions of it, as a mechanism, to stir the crowd to which he speaking ? (a technique often used by many speakers, irrespective of their particular political persuasion)

I'm no fan of Obama. There is certainly no shortage legitimate issues to actually go after the guy about, without lowering oneself to point of having to make up or forward stupid crap ..... and reframe events to mean something that isn't even remotely there.

Of course, if one is incapable of observing or recognizing such issues, and then actually having an intelligent conversation about them, then I guess the above passes for the next best thing.

It simply shows his real distain for our country...
Distain ?

I think "distain" was what the guy in Hough said when I was delivering up in Cleveland for FHD:

"Lookee here man ... see distain in dee cawpet .... I ain't taking that ....."

No ..... it being disdain on Obama's part is what you want it to show .... and I mean really, really want it ...

Dennis - you can do better than this.
 
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RLENT

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...... but unfit to be allowed the privilege of being an American.
Leaving aside the matter of any question of the birth location of the current POTUS, you do realize that being an American citizen is a RIGHT - conferred by birth to those born here - and NOT a privilege.
 
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chefdennis

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yeap I messspelled the words and ifergot to checkem....and it wa late It was the last thing idid befer goin to bed...:D

As to barry, i believe it was deliberate on his part, he has no use for the Constitution or any of our founding documents, he has shown that and spoke about how our constitution is flawed in that it doesn't tell us what the Fed Gov "will provide"...its all about the "entitlements" ....what can the gov give to the people....

I mean, leaving a "KEY" phrase out....there is no defense for that.....it was planned and written as he said it...

Oh and even if it wasn't and it was a mistake, putting it out there, works to the agenda....:D
 

layoutshooter

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It is our RIGHT by birth to be American it is STIILL a GREAT privilege to live in this GREAT Nation. I hate seeing how we are trying to LOWER our standards to that of Europe or Central America.
 

RLENT

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Layout,

It is our RIGHT by birth to be American
It is a right - by birth - to be a United States Citizen.

it is STIILL a GREAT privilege to live in this GREAT Nation.
In a country that counts freedom of conscience and individual thought as one of it's most sacred treasures, your comments/thoughts above are something that is an individual personal opinion - for each individual to adopt as they see fit - or not - based on their own view of this country.

It is not something that can be enforced or required.

At the point where anyone begins to speak of "unfit to be allowed the privilege of being an American" as a consequence of another individual's political views or philosophy, it becomes CRAZY TALK - in direct contravention of what the Constitution states, and what the Founding Fathers apparently thought:

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside ........ "

In essence, such a statement is a call to replace a BIRTH RIGHT ....... with some .... thing .....that one might find being granted by a king or monarch of Europe: the privilege of citizenship, with some sort of a political litmus test substituting itself for an oath of fealty ........

I cannot imagine anything more repugnant or abhorrent to the Founders .....

I hate seeing how we are trying to LOWER our standards to that of Europe or Central America.
Well, if that's truly the case, then stand up for what we as a country truly represent - and speak out against such crazy talk - that seeks to place us in exactly the position of what you claim to hate.

The selective quoting, by a politician, of the Declaration, US Constitution, or anything else, in a political speech, IS NOT something which merits the contemplation denial of the right of citizenship, to those that legitimately hold it.

Such a thing is silly .... almost beyond belief.
 

greg334

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I got a rather odd comment.

The Declaration of Independence is quoted often for some reason but it has no impact on our lives under the Constitution. Many believe that it is part of the binding agreement we have with each other to govern ourselves while others can't understand the true meaning of it in the context and period when it was written.

Many, even those who were taught under the old school world seem not to understand the difference between the two documents.
 

chefdennis

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there is most definitely a seperation between the 2 documents and yes there is no binding of law with the Declaration...but it is one of our founding documents and as such deserves the resspect that goes with it and to deliberately leave out the "Creator" while qouting it shows the lack of respect barry has for this country, the founds, the founding documents and the people....

With his public statements of how he views the Constitution, it isn't a far stretch to figure he has the same low opinions of the Declaration also...

Oh! did you see he went to church yesterday....:rolleyes:

Obamas attend Sunday services at Episcopal church - Yahoo! News
 

RLENT

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I got a rather odd comment.
Nothing odd about your comment Greg - as you point out the Declaration predates the fundamental document that defines and creates who we are.

And as Dennis points out - the Declaration deserves proper respect as a part of our history.

However, if there a case of the glass being half full vs. half empty, this would be it:

One individual observes that the POTUS selectively quotes from a historical document in speaking to group (as politicians are often inclined to do ....) and observes that the POTUS is at least acknowledging some portion of our common history.

Another individual observes that the POTUS did not read a particular, specific portion of said historical document, and even though the POTUS did not other portions of the historical document either, draws the conclusion that this omission means a very great deal and is somehow highly significant ..... much in the same way that phrenologists used to examine and observe the bumps on an individuals head and divine all manner of things:

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Of course, both are about as silly Nancy Reagan relying on astrologer Joan Quigley to determine what days were "good" ... (a good day being largely determined by one makes out of it)
 

dieseldiva

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I got a rather odd comment.

The Declaration of Independence is quoted often for some reason but it has no impact on our lives under the Constitution. Many believe that it is part of the binding agreement we have with each other to govern ourselves while others can't understand the true meaning of it in the context and period when it was written.

Many, even those who were taught under the old school world seem not to understand the difference between the two documents.

And once in a while we see a congressman that doesn't seem to know the difference...
 
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