Banned Member Reaches A New Low....

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Turtle

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Retired Expediter
Well, I can't believe that so many people bought that load of crap at face value. Nothing about it, nothing, had a ring of legitimacy to it. But even if it was legitimate, we only got one side of the story, and a second hand one at that. I responded to it in appropriately smart-aѕѕed fashion, and promptly got three messages telling me that I was being cruel and insensitive. Yeah, well. The outrage over this is ostensibly because a couple of butt-crack luzers conspired to pull one over on everyone, but the real outrage ought to be staring back at those in the mirror who were so easily duped by a couple of butt-crack luzers.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
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Well, I can't believe that so many people bought that load of crap at face value. Nothing about it, nothing, had a ring of legitimacy to it. But even if it was legitimate, we only got one side of the story, and a second hand one at that. I responded to it in appropriately smart-aѕѕed fashion, and promptly got three messages telling me that I was being cruel and insensitive. Yeah, well. The outrage over this is ostensibly because a couple of butt-crack luzers conspired to pull one over on everyone, but the real outrage ought to be staring back at those in the mirror who were so easily duped by a couple of butt-crack luzers.

my mirror was fogged over this morning...and yeah i was fooled and part of my disappointment is in myself...
 

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
I too bought into it and for that i am sorry Joe...while i still believe you are a man of your convictions, it was in poor judgement on my part to not look past this stunt and know better....
 

dieseldiva

Veteran Expediter
I don't think anyone here needs to apologize. We are STILL a caring and compassionate group of people and when someone, ANYONE, claims that another member is in distress, it's natural for us to want to speak a few kinds words onto the situation.

That being said, no one needs to berate the others for expressing kind words. That serves no purpose other than to try and elevate themselves. Instead, the focus needs to be on what can be done to assure that something like this doesn't happen again.
 

Dakota

Veteran Expediter
Okay, I was fooled too. :confused:

Here's a suggestion. When a new member signs on have a moderator or EO check out their post before it is posted. Once a person has 5,10,20 posts under their belt then their screenname would be unlocked and their posts will post instantly. This would keep people from creating an account to spam us and would keep people from creating multiple accounts to stir up stuff. Just an idea, an not sure if it would be possible.
:) What do you say Lawrence?
 
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Lawrence

Founder
Staff member

EO has always been committed to an open door policy. Yes, even with people we disagree with.

I really don't want to punish new members because of the actions of a few.

I plan to escalate this matter to our legal counsel. I think the attack on Joe could be a valid complaint to start with - if he chooses.

There are legal terms that must be agreed to before you have access to our website, they were agreed to. A violation of legal magnitude has occurred and we have their IP addresses to start with.

We don't make random legal threats and plan to make sure this person has a complete understanding that there are repercussions for statements you make - even on the Internet.

If you have any information on this person or persons please PM ASAP.

 

hdxpedx

Veteran Expediter
Fleet Owner
Wow, this is the lowest of the lowest that I have ever seen. Something seemed fishy about the post. I talked with Joe on the phone once, didn't get to meet him, but he didn't sound like a guy that would start fights and get arrested for them.

I really hope that Joe goes after this sick individual.

Do we know who the guy is that posted under the name of MrsLayout? I guess we all can guess who he is, but do we know for sure?

And what are the other aliases that he posted under?

I can't help but notice- regular daily posters not commenting- conspiracy??
 

bcordell70

Expert Expediter
I believe I read the posts that are in question here and I think the whole post was wrong, however this being a expediter forum and in some ways the only communication outside family some of these driver has, for someone to take that information and then login as a supposed family member, lastly could cause a issue with his employment should be dealt with very harshly.

One way I believe this can help would be a IP Ban, which unless this person is on dialup or an ISP that uses non-static ip addresses of course most broadband ISP's now issue static IP address. Once this IP address is banned I would find out who the ISP is and then send a very strong letter to the ISP provider to see about getting his account canceled. Another way would be for the admins to start tracking the IP addresses of banned accounts and once a member starts acting in a strange way they can be matched to this database and then dealt with.

Also adding to what another member here mentioned, once the new account has been created to only allow a temporary membership maybe to the newbie forum only with read and write access ? And read only in the other forums until the person has a certain amount of posts.
 
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aristotle

Veteran Expediter
I can't help but notice- regular daily posters not commenting- conspiracy??

It is no surprise 2 or 3 bellicose agitators are keeping a low profile today. It is the same little cadre that hide behind multiple screen names to create chaos on a regular basis. Then there are those who sit on the sidelines and cheer for the troublemakers. These enablers and facilitators are the worst of the lot. They remind me of characters in old Western movies who wouls sell guns and liquor to the natives, then claim innocence when a massacre occurred. Those of you who befriend and defend the lowlifes know who you are. One particularly egregious example has several thousand posts to his credit. Shame. A purge is in order.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator

EO has always been committed to an open door policy. Yes, even with people we disagree with.

I really don't want to punish new members because of the actions of a few.

I plan to escalate this matter to our legal counsel. I think the attack on Joe could be a valid complaint to start with - if he chooses.

There are legal terms that must be agreed to before you have access to our website, they were agreed to. A violation of legal magnitude has occurred and we have their IP addresses to start with.

We don't make random legal threats and plan to make sure this person has a complete understanding that there are repercussions for statements you make - even on the Internet.

If you have any information on this person or persons please PM ASAP.


Lawrence

I think an added layer of security is warranted.

Whilst the idea of openness is grand..the sign of the times, more people are internet savy and all...

I think if a new member is serious about joining in our grand community,
a 24-48 hour waiting period would not offend them.
After all this is a professional site catering to professional wannabes and not just a cheap chatroom.

and yet another one strikes
rogerddgr188
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arkjarhead

Veteran Expediter
I guess I don't understand what's going on. Someone must have felt the need to cause some drama? I don't understand people.
 

Turtle

Administrator
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Retired Expediter
I don't think anyone here needs to apologize. We are STILL a caring and compassionate group of people and when someone, ANYONE, claims that another member is in distress, it's natural for us to want to speak a few kinds words onto the situation.
That may be true, but do keep in mind that those who bought into the story rushed their caring and compassionate words to the aid of someone who had just committed assault and battery, in a bar fight. That story pushed all the right buttons as if it were a cattle prod, a distraught wife, badmouthing the military, and the injustice of a corrupt small town police force.

That being said, no one needs to berate the others for expressing kind words. That serves no purpose other than to try and elevate themselves.
Nice try, but no. The purpose is to alert others so that they will look at things like this in the future with a jaundiced eye, so that maybe they won't be as gullible and so wide open to being duped like this again. It's kind of like those 8th grade tests from 1926 that you need a college degree to answer, and people read 'em and are shocked and awed, when the reality is all that crap is pure fiction.

Instead, the focus needs to be on what can be done to assure that something like this doesn't happen again.
Being a little more skeptical about unexpected and shocking news would be first on that list, dontcha think? Banning IP's, even entire ISP's is only marginally effective, since it's brain dead easy to get around a permanent ban and everything that goes along with it simply by using IP proxies and Web anonymizers, or for that matter, the built-in CTRL-SHIFT-P private Web browsing feature of Firefox. If you create too many hoops to jump through in order to register and get on the forums, a lot of good people will walk away. Forum registration should be a relatively inviting process, one of welcome and inclusion, but too many hoops or extended waiting periods all say the opposite.

The best way to deal with this kind of crap is to not buy into it in the first place. Posting something on the Net is as easy as writing on the walls of a public rest room. You shouldn't just automatically believe it until it's proven false. Instead, you should assume it is false, unless there is proof that it's true. So I'm sorry if you or someone else feels berated, but this is the reality of the Internet, and everybody just got a little dose of it.
 

pelicn

Veteran Expediter
Turtle brings up a good point, knowing Layoutshooter, we probably should have call BS immediately. Unfortunately, I don't think that most of us analyze a situation under the microscope when we think that one of our own might be in trouble.
Another forum that I belong to requires a permanent email address in order to post to the forum. It can't be a google, or yahoo or hotmail etc. The reason for this is because they then have a record of who the poster is. It's a great forum and they have no trouble with impostors or multiple names now.
 

bcordell70

Expert Expediter
Sorry Turtle but the CTRL Shift P in firefox basically only effects cookies and so forth and has nothing to do with hiding an ip address, also a lot of the so called anonymity software out dont work period, only true way is via proxy and if they want in that bad then it is a whole different ball game.
 

dieseldiva

Veteran Expediter
So I'm sorry if you or someone else feels berated, but this is the reality of the Internet, and everybody just got a little dose of it.

Thanks but I have no reason to feel berated. I remained silent while you, in your words, gave a smart-assed response and DD called BS on the post and suggested the admins take a closer look.

Some choose to play games with these idiots while others are serious in trying to maintain the integrity of the forum.

You're shifting the blame to those that responded with compassion.....the blame needs to remain on the offender while the focus needs to go back to solutions to the problem.

If you're not part of the solution, you're probably, in some way, part of the problem.
 

highway star

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Owner/Operator
Another forum that I belong to requires a permanent email address in order to post to the forum. It can't be a google, or yahoo or hotmail etc.

What's wrong with those e-mail providers? I use Hotmail and it's the only one I have.

I believed it right up to Doggie's post. It's fair to say that Layout's a man who's very passionate about his beliefs. Especially where the military is concerned.
 
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