Baby On Board!?

Moot

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
What is your opinion about OTR driving with a very young infant?

Just curious as to the opinions of both experienced and new drivers.

Thanks,
Mark and Ruth

Preramble: It is not uncommon for people to post here, ostensibly seeking advice, but often the underlying motive is they need others approval or validation for a decision they themselves don't feel comfortable with. It is also not uncommon for these very same posters, when confronted with opinions contrary to their own, to make claims such as; you don't know me, you don't know my situation, etc.

It is true, I don't know you or your situation, other than what you have posted here. From what I have read, and I admit some was between the lines, this appears to be more about you than your family. It is your dream to return to the U.S. and become an OTR driver. It may have been your dream for a long, long time. Now at 47 years old with a wife and child on the way there is a sense of urgency that if you don't act now, it will never happen. There are worse environments than a truck for a child to grow up in. There are also better ones. If you are a spiritual person, pray and do some honest self-reflection for any underlying reasons for your need to go OTR.

I sincerely wish you the best with this dilemma. Think it through. Don't rush it.
 

ConfusedMuse

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Why does everyone put this job one step from living under a bridge, the last hurrah, a paid tourist, etc....
Because a lot of us neglect to mention the long hours, the sleeping while the truck is in motion hitting every pothole/crater in the roadbed, the lack of basic human needs for extended periods, the rudeness of sales people, shippers, consignees, fellow drivers, dispatchers. The Government involvement in how we run our business, our hard earned endorsements, safety records, the Government telling us how we are going to sleep, drive, when we can stop, who we can talk too...
It's hard to FIDO when it is a daily onslaught against our integrity and intelligence.
It takes a special, dedicated person to put up with what we all do on a daily basis. We need to thank each of us more often, and remember if you bought it, a truck brought it!
This is NOT an enviroment to bring a baby into, which is where this thread started... this is NOT the last step from living under the bridge, this is NOT let's see the USA in our Chevrolet.
It's a time consuming, sometimes scarier than a haunted house, it's reality 24/7, 365 days a year. Can you make money? Of course you can, if your an average person, you can make money doing almost anything. Do I recommend this job? not very often, it isn't for everyone.
 

Moot

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
this is NOT let's see the USA in our Chevrolet.

I beg to differ.
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MissKat

Expert Expediter
I will attest that back in 1978-1981 I drove tt pregnant, then with the baby back in the rig 7 days after the c-sec. unloaded cases of oranges with my son strapped to my back. I was 26-28 and weighed 100'. No air conditioning, cummins 290, Florida to New York. I stopped living that way when he started to walk and the dad kept trucking while I ran a home daycare. It can be done. It's what you do to survive.

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greg334

Veteran Expediter
Yes Moot's point is put very well but it seems to reinforce something that I see too often, people ask advice then get all incredulous when there is opposing opinions are offered.

I have been on the road, not doing this job but others for a while, since 1979 in one form or another. The problem I see is no one should put a newborn into a position of surviving the riggers of a truck for any reason. A lot of people here may not understand what it is really like when they are faced with issues or problems on the road, some are too desensitived of it and others are just don't care. Being in a snowbank is one issue but having someone stand there with a gun in your face is another (that has happened more often than people being stuck on the road). Are you seriously going to make a move that will put a bullet into the truck or just give the guy everything?

See one of the things that I don't get is if you don't have money, how are you going to get a truck?

Money is tight here, no work history in the last couple years (assuming that you have lived there for a bit). Getting a loan would be an issue but if you expect to drive for someone and the owner is stupid enough to accept you with your wife and kid, then they should talk to a lawyer about how to lose everything quickly.

Nevertheless, I view it as a plain sefishness move, nothing less than that and it is not a reflection on the OP but in general. People do stupid things, like the guy who had his daughter lay on the matress that they put on his van to hold it down - not only did she fly off the matress but she got run over by a truck. Sure the parents greived, others thought it was insensitive that the state wanted to charge him - me? I would have put his a** in jail for murder.

If she wants to be part of some business venture, find something that she can do for you, like dispatch or like running the back office but staying home.
 

ScoobyMagee

Expert Expediter
Hmm, after thinking of saftey first. How do you keep a baby clean in a filthy truch stop shower?
Germs, germs, and did I say germs! eek!!!!
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
OK, the notion of bringing an infant out here on the road in expediting is just stupid, stupid, stupid. It's a stupid thought, and anyone who would even seriously consider it, much less actually do it, is stupid. Just flat out, stone-cold, butt-stoopid, stupid. It's so stupid that I'm not yet convinced that this isn't just a troll.
 

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
MissKat wrote:

I will attest that back in 1978-1981 I drove tt pregnant, then with the baby back in the rig 7 days after the c-sec. unloaded cases of oranges with my son strapped to my back. I was 26-28 and weighed 100'. No air conditioning, cummins 290, Florida to New York. I stopped living that way when he started to walk and the dad kept trucking while I ran a home daycare. It can be done. It's what you do to survive.

MissKat...it was a pleasure to meet such a butt stupid LADY and MOM at the last Expo...hope to see you again soon....
 
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dabluzman1

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
You are comparing moments of stupidity with a 24/7 confinement of a baby in a truck.
I would call the police in a heart beat if I seen this being done. People will call the police
when a dog is left in a car on a hot summer day. There is only one side of the story in this scenario, it is the babies'.
 

gospelriders

Seasoned Expediter
My concerns personally were with the issues of insurance, safety for the child in regards to the child seat/being strapped in for long periods of time. I had not thought about sucking diesel fumes as really bad remembering as I do the smell of road-grade diesel burning in everything from the fuel truck I drove to the machines we fueled to our kerosene heaters in our homes. I can see some PC Crowd worried about that however, and I had not really even considered the possibility of CPS getting involved though I could certainly see that happening. We are still about a year out from doing anything if and when we ultimately do decide to do this. Right now, we are pretty much just looking at our options but I must say, my wife does seem to be bit hard by the bug ... Apart from that, like I said originally, I am not crazy about the idea, though it does seem a bit crazy. We are looking at all of our options before we made a decision so this had to be addressed eventually anyhow. I do appreciate the feedback however, and definitely looking at other options first. As for getting my wife to stay home and "make the nest" ... hahahahahahahahaha do not believe everything you read about passive and submissive Asian women LOL Her idea of a day off is working ten or twelve hours in our business, going home, cleaning and cooking and taking care of the livestock twice a day. She can dress a chicken faster than me ... which nobody could do back home in West By God and she can scrape a hog faster than me which a couple of people could do back home but not too many. If you think she should stay home and "rule the roost" so to speak, you convince her LOL (Hope you do not take offense to that but seriously, she is not the kind of woman who could ever be happy just sitting around the house)


the fact that he came here seeking wise council implies that this is not a "stupid" person or probably not some desperate move("if and when we do this") to fulfill some dream either. i know i kind of knee-jerked when i read the first post.but this one comes across as being the one he should have posted first.
 

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
I personally wouldn't do it..but thats me and i am not in the OP's current site situation the OP is in either...And further, I'd bet that if this were just a selfish dream, it would have been done before his current loss took place and if he wasn't in the straights he seems to be in, my guess is this is something he wouldn't consider....i could be wrong, but to me it appears that he is simply looking for a way he can provide for his family and keep his wife involver per HER wishes also...

Having a baby in a truck sleeper is by no means perfect, but we have all seen worse siruations, even in fixed place homes....

We all do what we need to do...as for calling the police if you seen this sitituation....if any of us seem a child, let alone a baby in a truck cab unattended, id hope we all would call the police asap...that being said, a child or baby that looks well taken care of and has someone (adult) with them...i might shake my head and walk away..but i don't think id call the police in every situation..but i certainly wouldn't condem anyone that would..as their reaction would be to make sure that everything is alright with the child....

Again, i wouldn't do it, but then i don't NEED to do it either...
 

Ragman

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
OK, the notion of bringing an infant out here on the road in expediting is just stupid, stupid, stupid. It's a stupid thought, and anyone who would even seriously consider it, much less actually do it, is stupid. Just flat out, stone-cold, butt-stoopid, stupid. It's so stupid that I'm not yet convinced that this isn't just a troll.

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Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
After reading reply #37, I think you may be on to something.
I've picked up on a few little nuances here and there which indicate a few specifics. There's also some behind the scenes things that don't quite add up. Actually a couple of them are impossible. We shall see.
 
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Anomaly

Guest
I will try to address all of the issues here but please, do let me know if I have missed any.

Ask my wife and she will tell you I was opposed to the entire baby in the truck thing from the beginning, she was curious about it and wanted the opinions of others here so I asked. If complying with my wife's desire for a more informed and current opinion than my own makes me a troll, so be it. If asking for information on a site that is supposedly specifically made for that purpose makes me a troll, than perhaps I am asking the wrong people, though given the good information I have received both here and in other posts doing searches rather than asking the same old tired questions, I doubt I am in the wrong place.

The fact that I mentioned here that I am very likely to be six months to a year from taking any action at all should indicate that some thought and planning is being done BEFORE making any decisions and certainly before signing any contracts or buying a truck.

As for selfish dreams, anybody (or more specifically any male) who has ever lived in the SE Asia regions for any length of time may very well dispute that. Granted, the same apathy that makes it so wonderful and relaxing to live here also makes it difficult to do business here ... at least to the extent I would like and to take good care of my family. I say male because here, even at nearly fifty, I am considered "exotic" and nearly every gal from 15 to 50 flirts with me. My wife will not go shopping with me because she knows all the girls wear mini skirts and I will get flashed tens of times on any trip to the store. While I am a practicing (never reaching perfection) Christian and do not partake of their wares or their company, I must admit that it is inherently more pleasant than the average shopping trip with the people of walmart. Add to that the tropical environment, the cheap, cold beer, relatively good food and all things being equal, it is not a bad place to live at all, just a very difficult place to build a future for a family.

As for building a future ... I run a non-profit here which I do for free. I lost everything I owned in two of the three worst storms in local history ... two months and three days apart ... I also lost everything I had in the US due to things beyond my control and which I am happy to share, though it would take too much room here. I have made my living working online, building websites, writing and other such work ... which had I been in a position to stay online without issues, may have been okay but with the electrical power here, even with protection computers often die quick and painful deaths. Turtle, if you want to talk tech, I have built custom (international) networks for Emergency Response with physical locations in all five FEMA zones, Mexico and Canada. I have also built custom networks for the casinos running fiber optics for interstate and intrastate connections. Which brings up the question, why would I not just look for a job in IT right?

Except it is not that easy. Nothing ever is ... or at least nothing worth having. I am also a high school dropout and with real unemployment rates hovering around twenty percent and up to 37% when you factor in the lost jobs, the number of people who are under-employed and the people who "no longer exist" because they have been out of work so long they are no longer recorded in the system and just maybe you can see that it is a little difficult for me to get a high tech job.

Which takes me back to "my selfish dream". Actually, I have a friend from Jr. High School who is a driver with her husband. My wife has been following their adventures on my facebook page and truth be told, the OTR part is her dream and not my own ... however it also happens to be among the easiest places to get work, something I do have extensive experience with and the idea of doing it in a straight truck, with my wife, making a semi-decent living is something that yes, I do find appealing. If that offends or bothers anyone here, than so be it. Again, if complying with my wife's wishes and helping her to pursue her dreams makes me evil in your eyes, than so be it.

As for my current situation, I worked online and ultimately ended up buying into a net cafe. I own half a net cafe but computer prices are coming down so fast that even here nearly everybody can afford one and personally, I am tired of living on borrowed money so that I can work sixteen to eighteen hours a day. I can work online and I can work in the net cafe but I cannot do both. Selling a bunch of used computers would not very likely get me anything in return for my time or investment so that really is not an option. We are exploring other options there as well, and should we decide on something else, again, it will be an informed and well thought decision, not any spur of the moment actions of desperation grasping at straws.

I have considered local runs as well but the money is not nearly as good for someone willing to run (and work) for their money. We both are. Still, my wife prefers running her first few hundred thousand miles with me and does not like the idea of local runs or driving alone. Again, I am looking at options which my wife has expressed a desire to pursue, if it were just me, I seriously doubt I would have a difficult time finding an O/O to hire me today ... though I would need to renew my CDL and begin piling up my hazmat certs one at a time again ... and that would still leave both my wife and child here in the Philippines ... which yes, is another option we are looking at though we would still be looking at finding ways to do team OTR runs.

Finally, no matter what my dreams may be, what hers may be or what decision we ultimately make, legally complying with all of the immigration issues does take some time. Having a job waiting for us would certainly make that a lot easier to accomplish however.

As for calling the cops, I do not personally believe in such actions unless absolutely necessary or in rare instances when someone is openly and blatantly endangering the lives of others. As was previously mentioned here, I would probably just shake my head and walk away in the case of seeing a baby with a parent on a lot or not. It could be that the parent was stranded in a snow bank, their car broke down or a hundred other different scenarios where the trucker you are f'ing with by calling the cops, was just doing his civic duty to help a fellow citizen in trouble. It could be that the driver just picked them up for a short haul for all you know and frankly, I do not see the need to intervene my "opinion" or "personal interpretation" of circumstances I am not familiar with. If there were some drunk driving down the road with an open beer and the baby in the car, yeah, I can see it but just seeing a baby in the cab? Not going to happen.

Please, do let me know if I have missed any of your observations or still left you with "concerns" about my authenticity, my strong work ethic, my personal abilities, my personal situations or other private affairs which are not at all related to the original post or the topic at hand. I really will be happy to address them.

Again, with thanks,
Mark and Ruth
 
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Anomaly

Guest
PS Apologies for my verbosity but there were many different points to address.
 
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Anomaly

Guest
I've picked up on a few little nuances here and there which indicate a few specifics. There's also some behind the scenes things that don't quite add up. Actually a couple of them are impossible. We shall see.

As is building a future for my child here, which is exactly why ... and the only real reason we are considering the move. However, I am curious as to what you believe is so impossible regarding what I have said.

Again, I will not hide anything so please feel free to ask. You may love me for it, you may hate me for it but I will always be honest. I would never lie to anyone, telling the truth is far too much fun. (Though I usually use that in a different context and when discussing political issues ... long story LOL)
 
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