ATeam's Florida Investment

Streakn1

Veteran Expediter
Mind you, not that I make it a habit of reading Phil's blog page (LOL), I did read his entries for 5/20-5/22. I did so to see how the closing on their Florida home had gone. According to his blog, it did not go for reasons stated in his blog.

Being born and raised in Florida and living there all of my life, obviously hurricanes are a big part of my life, unlike the Minnisotans. Also, I live in what was once the manufactured home builders capital of the south (Ocala,Fl). Early in my adult work life I worked in constructing roof systems for mobile homes, design, construction standards, and manufacture/engineered testing of components (roof truss and floor joist systems) used in mobile home construction throughout the Florida manufactured home builders. I've been in almost every mobile home manufacturing plant in the state ie, Skyline, Redman, Guerdon, Homes of Merit, Palm Harbor, Fleetwood, Nobility, etc that used our components, and those that did not.

With that said, I feel it important to mention to the ATeam or anyone considering buying a used manufactured home in the state of Florida (or anywhere within the coastal hurricane zones and inland areas) that they should be especially mindful for the age of the unit. More specifically, is the home a "pre hurricane Andrew" built home? This would be manufactured homes built prior to 1992 and shortly thereafter. Also keep in mind that the post "Andrew" changes in construction requirements did not go into affect immediately after Andrew as time was require to study these changes before placing them into affect.

Not only is there a huge difference in the framing requirements after Andrew, but also the amount and placement of steel strapping used the hold the homes together, the required number of anchors used to tie the homes to the ground, and the way multi-sectional manufactured homes are tied together during setup. The older homes simply were grandfathered in, so its buyer beware. Value and insurability of the older homes are greatly affected by these construction standards in Florida.

Many sellers looking to dump these older homes are hopeful that the potentual buyer from the north has no clue of these important changes. Don't be clueless to this as it could be costly in the long run.

Interesting note: During Hurricane Andrew one of the manufactured housing communities hard hit in south Florida had well over two hundred residences. The only one left standing, and with minimal damaged (broken windows, exterior surface scratches from flying debris) was a Palm Harbor doublewide manufactured in Cental Florida. And it was pre Andrew construction. All others were distroyed. I know Glen is quite happy with theirs!
 
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greg334

Veteran Expediter
Well Streak, outside of the fact that it is irrelevant what he bought, you do bring up a good point.

The building standard of not just mobile homes have been tightened but so has regular real housing. I think all buildings should be built like them.

I remember Hugo, ripping up the neighborhood I was living in and the one's that survived either were the old hardy built houses or the new ones. I remember visiting a friend's house as they were building it and it was amazing what they did to tie it to together and to the ground. Since that time, there have been a lot of improvements and I bet another Hugo could do less damage today as it did back in '89.

But Phil no doubt has done his homework, studied migrating patterns of snowbirds, researched the housing market for old farts and most likely talked to engineers about structural integrity of a mobile homes in order to make his decision. Whether or not anyone cares it doesn't matter but I have more confidence in him to make a wise decision than anyone else including myself.
 

Streakn1

Veteran Expediter
Well Streak, outside of the fact that it is irrelevant what he bought, you do bring up a good point.

But Phil no doubt has done his homework

I have more confidence in him to make a wise decision than anyone else including myself.

Unlike many unsuspecting buyers, I'm sure Phil has had a wealth of knowledge in his friend Glen.
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
We have went through several hurricanes and most the mobile homes get pretty trashed, and that is if you could find them.
We went with "concrete is your best friend".
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Well Dave that's a thought but honestly I don't think his engineers thought about cement as a possible material for a Hurricane proof Mobile Home. The cost of moving a Cement Mobile Home may be too much for Phil - you know a bad ROI.
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
I think you are right on that one. Pretty tough to roll the concrete down A1A.
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
A guy goes to a psychiatrist.

"Doctor, sometimes I feel like a wigwam, sometimes I feel like a tee-pee.
I'm a wigwam! I'm a tee-pee!"

The doctor says, "You're too tense."


The preceding message has been brought to you by the Tornado Alley Oklahoma Mobile Home Owner's Association, in cooperation with the Hurricane Magnet Trailer Park Association of Florida.
 

Streakn1

Veteran Expediter
Well Dave that's a thought but honestly I don't think his engineers thought about cement as a possible material for a Hurricane proof Mobile Home. The cost of moving a Cement Mobile Home may be too much for Phil - you know a bad ROI.

Shame on those engineers for not telling him about the hurricane proof, precast concrete manufactured homes currently being built by a company in Broward County, FL. Looked at them myself out of couriousity and they're really decent looking homes but a bit costly.
 
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greg334

Veteran Expediter
If you pay lot rent, if it has to be trucked to a slab and tied down, or has wheels it is a mobile home.

A manufactured home seems to be the place that I had 15 years ago, I bought a place, had a basement put in and then one day while I was at work they came one day with two halves of a house and put it on the basement. I came back to a new house that wasn't there when I left. Something like the reverse of what happens with a mobile home with a hurricane.

Maybe if Phil has some luck, he can find one of them Cement Mobile Homes and put it next to a Cement Pond.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
She's still around. She has something to do with real estate - opps is there a connection, cement mobile homes, cement ponds and Elly Mae selling real estate?
 

Jefferson3000

Expert Expediter
The preceding message has been brought to you by the Tornado Alley Oklahoma Mobile Home Owner's Association, in cooperation with the Hurricane Magnet Trailer Park Association of Florida.

Don't forget the Tornado Magnet Trailer Park Association of Greater America.
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
I think that idea that property values decreased 50 to 60 percent only applies to the tornado magnets. Kinda like, "I always make $3.00 a mile", Values in some areas have certainly went down but not at that percentage for actual housing. Along the coast here, prices have come back quite a bit. Some discounting on foreclosed condos but ocean front property is still going for a good buck.
 
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