I am not familiar with Mr. West. So I thought this was interesting.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/29/us/politics/29west.html?_r=2&hpw
jimmy
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/29/us/politics/29west.html?_r=2&hpw
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greg334
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This tells me a lot. I don't give a crap what his perception is on the American man or what the president is, I care about the d*mn issues.
See comments like that show me and a lot of others that he is riding the same populist wave that comes from talk radio crowd and lacks the appeal to the people who really matter - the not conservative crowd. If he wanted to garner my vote and the vote of the not conservative crowd, he wouldn't bring up the person who in office's character or alleged social conditions which all sounds like Hannity or Rush, he would stick to HIS ideas and HIS solutions for our real problems and keep driving that home.
This goes back to the problem with the republican party and how they already lost the election. They need to pick someone, back them and fight for the election as if everything is on the line with that one candidate BECAUSE everything is. They can't field anyone because there isn't anyone who is worth fielding for the office in their bunch who is an insider or part of the GOP status quo.
Tennesseahawk
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I see, Greg. Don't pander to the conservative crowd, pander to the wannabe libs who run the Republican party. Get on their good side, so you can go out and spout how you're going to "streamline" government, and "fix" welfare. IOW, the same BS that's been said forever.
I have one. How about YOU go vote for lefties, or whomever you want, and let US conservatives have our party back?
I have one. How about YOU go vote for lefties, or whomever you want, and let US conservatives have our party back?
greg334
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The conservative crowd isn't the one who will decide who gets there, like the last election it will again be the independent voter who will shift the election for or against a candidate.
The problem many don't get is the republican party is not moving fast enough and even with the horrid stuff coming out of the WH, they have to work harder than before to gain anything in either congress or the WH.
The other thing that many are also missing is that the tea party people could have run under democrat banner and still win. It was the issues they spoke about, how they were consistent and how they brought the right message to the people that covered all the people, not a select few.
The problem many don't get is the republican party is not moving fast enough and even with the horrid stuff coming out of the WH, they have to work harder than before to gain anything in either congress or the WH.
The other thing that many are also missing is that the tea party people could have run under democrat banner and still win. It was the issues they spoke about, how they were consistent and how they brought the right message to the people that covered all the people, not a select few.
dieseldiva
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Yep.....it's clear that he spends way too much time pandering to the wrong people.......
Been drinking too much of the media coolaid, apparently. The polar opposite is true. The misconception promoted by the MSM is the mushy middle rules everything. This is WRONG. Our country is basically conservative and always has been. It seems odd to me that to be committed to a liberal philosophy is noble and progressive (because they can't admit to being liberal), and to be commited to a conservative philosophy is backward. This is a concept promoted by the mainstream media and is not in sync with reality. The candidate that is an unapologetic conservative and attacks the crazy liberal policies of Obama and the congress that supported him will win in a landslide. For those in doubt, refer to the mid-term elections. Why do you think a buffoon like Donald Trump is so popular right now? Because he's on the attack instead of trying to be politically correct like Boehner, Romney and the usual suspects. Will a man of convictions PLEASE come forward...your nomination is waiting.
greg334
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Not really, disconnected myself from the media and looked at the people and issues without the entertainers.
Actually I don't feel that is close to the truth. I feel we are a country that is more middle of the road than modern conservative or modern liberal. We embrace freedoms more than we try to dictate to others while those on both sides of the political spectrum - conservative and liberal - seem to want to dictate and control.
The misconception isn't that the "mushy middle" rules anything but rather that there is a distinct left and right exclusive to the democratic and republican party respectively when the reality is they are almost the same but with different names and have been the same for much of my life.
I also find it odd but it isn't what I'm saying.
What my point is that people are more or less in the middle and don't have time to put a tag on their political philosophy. They come to the voting booth with only two things in mind, what is done for them and what does it cost them but outside of that, everything else is irrelevant.
See the thing is being an unapologetic conservative is not an asset, being someone passionate about the issues is when they speak on the level of others to give a clear message about what they will do. The one thing that people get tired of is the continuing speaking of the same issues with the same spin or being offensive about the other guy. Obama did this and obama did that being the constant theme of one's campaign is damaging, just as Beck has done on his shows and lost people because of it. There is no substance to speaking about what the administration has been doing when everyone already knows what they have done (listening to Rush, Hannity, Ingram and others, this seems to be about the same message being repeated and attracting no one other than the regular listener who can't think beyond what they hear) but rather there needs to be a clear concise message of what the candidate can do for the country and only the country.
That's really the foundation of Obama's winning 2012, he knows everyone knows what's going on and he is going to stoke the fire to let them only talk about Obama and the administration but not the solutions.
When the republicans go on the offensive for the primaries, they will use the same tactics that they used in 2010 election which means they will be using their effort to get a mixed message out without a clear understanding by the people of what they can do for people to FIX the problem. The 2010 election was about fighting the other guy, but the 2012 election is about solutions and how they can fix it.
It isn't fighting Obama that will win, it is fighting the appearance that they can't get beyond Obama and his administration that will fail the republicans and has already.
I think that is a small reason but the bigger one is he has been in the spot light with his tv shows for the past 7 years and he has more viewers than political followers. HIS name has been in the spot light as much as he could get it there in the past 25 years, from his law suits in the 80's when he hired a PR firm to put a positive spin on his ruthless actions to NBC promoting rather crappy reality TV show.
I feel they have people who are newly elected in 2010 in the wings with the right stuff. These are not self-proclaimed conservatives but rather libertarian in nature. A few who have been fighting the old guard, the ones who led the revolt the house over the budget - those are who we should be looking at.
You know what amazes me is how people can justify what the house leadership has done with the budget while thinking this is conservatism. Those who compromised and didn't want to "shut down" the government are no more conservative than the democrats who didn't pass the budget in the first place.