Arizona shooting victim makes death threat

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Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
"The one thing I find disturbing is this call for gun control and the need to limit access to firearms by the mentally ill. In this case he wasn't deemed mentally ill but on the other hand this is where my support for a database to be checked when a purchase is made comes into the scene."


The Federal government has no legal authority to build such a data base. Who determines who gets placed on it? Is that very idea not infringement? Just a screening for felons is an "assumption" of guilt.

If you are going to keep the mentally ill from buying guns, what about them with cars? Buying booze? Buying illegal drugs?

Who decides what is a "mental illness"? Any chance of the government getting out of control on that?
 

Poorboy

Expert Expediter
This morning news,ABC Channel 13 in Toledo covered it which was totally surprising as they are bent to the left:eek: They are also carrying the Armanpour interview at 10:00 this morning.
 

jaminjim

Veteran Expediter
But you know what really burns my toast? The over use of the words suspect and alleged. Heck they saw him do it. Pretty much case closed, the only remaining question should be, Center of mass or head shot.
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
Even if you saw someone do it, even if you captured it on video, until a judicial authority has rendered a decision, a suspect or defendant has not been proved guilty of the charges or allegations against him. Not only is it unethical (for a reporter, certainly, especially a reporter who did not witness the event) to describe this individual as, say, a "murderer" or "embezzler" or "shooter" without the qualification of words like "accused" and "alleged," but such descriptions could turn you into a defendant yourself, for libel.

In an action for libel (written) one does not have to prove damages. They are presumed. For slander, actual damages have to be proven, except in four situations:

The words charged the plaintiff committed a criminal offense;


The word impute or imply that the plaintiff has certain contagious diseases;


The words impute or attribute unchastity or adultery to any woman or girl;


The words are calculated to disparage the plaintiff in any office profession, trade, calling or business held or carried on him at the time of the publication.



Moreover, it doesn't matter what the truth
ends up being, like in the case of an alleged crime, for example. If the person ends up being convicted of the crime later, but hadn't yet been convicted at the time of the libel or slander, you're still screwed if you failed to use "alleged" when talking about them.

There was a case not too long ago when a rookie British reporter, on her first assignment, actually, wrote the following:


“Two Asian women and five British ladies were arrested for prostitution by Dubai Police on Saturday.”

In one sentence the reporter disparaged two Asians by comparison, elevated five Brits to a level of unproven refinement, and convicted all seven of an alleged crime. The inconsistency of using a geographical region to describe the Asians and using a nationality to describe the Brits is bad enough, but all seven should have been "ladies" or "women", with no differentiation between them.


But the big one is, in reality all seven were either
"arrested and charged" with prostitution, or they were "arrested for alleged" prostitution. They were all arrested, to be sure, but they were not arrested for committing the crime of prostitution, they were arrested for allegedly committing the crime.

A fine line, perhaps, but an important one if they're talking about you.
 
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