Are These The Bad Times?

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
It seems there is more than the usual drumbeat of gloom filling the forums these days. Are we now in the bad times certain forum participants have been warning us about for years? If not, what are the signs? How, will someone new in the business know?

I hear talk that things are not as good as they used to be but that means little to someone who was not around in the good old days (if there ever were good old days). What OJBECTIVE and VERIFIABLE information can a newbie use to determine if the times are good or bad?
 

Paul56

Seasoned Expediter
Start with reading/listening to the business/financial news to gain insight on how the economy in general and that of various sectors are doing. It will take about 6 months worth of reading to gain enough background material for it to be truly useful for someone new to this.

The economy always goes in cycles, up and down... just as does the level of activity during the course of the year.

Complaining around this time of the year is so predictable.
 

rode2rouen

Expert Expediter
NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm gonna take a week off to chill out!

If times were any better I wouldn't be able to stand it!!


Rex
 

RichM

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
Why do you need objective and verifed information. What might be bad for me, might be good for you and how can I verify this. Do you want my revenue numbers to compare aginst yours. You never volunteered information so why should anyone else.

But is spite of your comments what is happening is that the US is experiencing a major slowdown in manufacturing. Granted there have been slowdowns before but this time I think it is going to have a much greater impact. The only portion of the economy that has shown growth is in health related care. For many years the US Auto manufacturing carried this country with trickle down effects throughout the Country. But nowadays ppl buy Lexus,Toyota, Honda and it goes on.The management at GM,Ford ,DC simply don't get it,all they know is "Don't rock the boat". Well the boat is sinking fast.
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
In a nutshell, I think both Paul and Rich are correct. Following the economy and numbers from big users of expedite, will tell you alot. Picking up a WSJ will give you the VERIFIABLE information. Other
issues aren't so clear. Many of the companies that rely on strictly the big three are feeling a pinch. They in turn are moving into other sectors just to stay afloat.
The other trends can be seen when just looking at load boards and looking at volumes of freight verses available trucks.








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highway star

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
I can verify that I have had, and overheard, conversations with drivers from the expedite sector and general freight hauling. There seems to be a consensus that this has been a slow year for freight, be it auto or otherwise. This info would be anecdotal, but I'm trying to be objective about it.
 

themagicoen

Expert Expediter
Well the US is turning into a "Service" nation, if a store was to go to selling only items made in the usa it would only take up a self or two compared to 10 years ago where you could fill the store. I think this current down turn has no bottom and it'll never be back up, it will the biggest issue come 08 elections.
 

cheri1122

Veteran Expediter
Driver
ATeam: "good" & "bad" are SUBJECTIVE - they cannot be proven by OBJECTIVE & VERIFIABLE means, even by the wisest among us.
 

kwexpress

Veteran Expediter
KW Express
o/o till i die

I dont think times are so bad.I just did 2100 miles in the last 48 hrs and leave out in the morning for another 2400 but these miles will be spread out over a 3 days
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
>ATeam: "good" & "bad" are SUBJECTIVE - they cannot be proven
>by OBJECTIVE & VERIFIABLE means, even by the wisest among
>us.

Fair enough. The term "bad times" has been used by many posters in the past and I thought it would be ok here. Let me be more specific.

What objective and verifiable indicators exist that expediters - old, new, and wannabee - can use to guage the health of the expediting industry?
 

letzrockexpress

Veteran Expediter
If these are the bad times I don't know how I might keep up in the good times....Without exaggerating at all I am geting just about all the work I can handle right now. Maybe I'm just at the right place at the right time...who knows?
 

Paul56

Seasoned Expediter
> If these are the bad times I don't know how I might keep up
>in the good times....Without exaggerating at all I am geting
>just about all the work I can handle right now. Maybe I'm
>just at the right place at the right time...who knows?

We have no complaints and are about to sign an new client that will mean two more long northern runs/month. Taking a run up there this week to meet face-to-face with the client, sign the paperwork, show them the truck and how we operate.
 

x06col

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
Retired Expediter
US Army
I'll agree with LETZROCK. If it were any better than this, I couldn't stand it.
 

FIS53

Veteran Expediter
Paul, Rich and Dave have it right. Look at the auto and mfg health. If those sectors go down then expediting dies a little or a lot depending on company, customers etc.
Another area to look at is the number of carriers in freight and courier that are around in the larger markets. If companies are closing then the times are a slowing. Courier companies in local markets seem prone to suffering in a bad market. Competition becomes more aggressive and rates suffer.
The best thing about a slow down is the cleaning out of the competition.
Rob Fis
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
Following up on the suggestion to go to the financial press for objective and verifiable indicators that will help us determine if we are in good times or bad, I picked a publication at random, Business Week, and saw the following.

Each year Business Week surveys a group of economists and other financial gurus to project the economic outlook for the coming year. Most financial publications do the same. As year-end, 2006 approaches, it is a great time to read a number of forecasts. It should be noted that some of last year's Business Week forecasters, who are also in the 2007 survey, proved to be spot on with their 2006 forecasts. Forecasing is not guessing, but it is by no means certain either. The Business Week forecast is probably as good as any and will likely be in the ballpark.

The forcaster consensus for 2007 reported in Business Week is:

Real GDP: 2.6%, with growth strengthing later in the year.
CPI inflation: 2.5%
Ten-year treasury yields: 4.88%
Jobless rate: 4.8%
Home prices: -1.7%

Paul56 makes a good point when he says it is necessary to read such publications over a period of time to put these numbers in context. A review of prior-year forecasts and these numbers over the last several years would be even better.

So, what can be read from the above numbers to determine whether or not the expediting industry is in good times or bad? Maybe a little, but not a lot. The above information combined with indicators more specific to the transportation industry would be more infomrative.

Generally, though, the above survey offers a more-or-less positive 2007 economic outlook. It does not appear that interest rates will go crazy. That's good news for anyone considering a truck purchase. Inflation is not projected to do anything terrible either. That might help keep the prices we pay for goods and services more-or-less at current levels.

Of course, the more specific one gets, the more tricky forecasting becomes. Better information for expediters can be gained by looking at projections for things specific to our industry like fuel prices that affect shipping costs and steel prices that affect new and used truck prices.

Sure, inflation may not be horrific overall, but that may be due to the fact that housing prices are due to decline where fuel prices may be due to increase. One offsets the other to produce a cushy inflation number. But as drivers who pay out a ton of money for fuel, the fuel forecast would be more important than the home price forecast.

The American Trucking Association, having a strong interest in the trucking industry outlook, makes industry forecasts that are reported in various trucking publications. Those forecasts combined with the more-general forecasts reported in the financial press can help us zero in a little better, but the expediting industry still continues to be a tiny and highly-specialized slice of the larger trucking industry. What is true for ATA fleets does not fully apply to expediting carriers, fleet owners, owner-operators and drivers.

The ATA Truck Tonage Index is a closely-watched and widely publicized indicator of trucking industry activity. But not all expediting carriers are members of the ATA. And even if they were, the volume of expedited feight is so small compared to all others in the ATA index that even if expediting was having its best year ever but trucking was down overall, the good news about expediting would be lost under the weight of data from larger carriers.

That brings us back to the question I first raised and then modified in response to Cheri's comment.

What objective and verifiable indicators exist that expediters - old, new, and wannabee - can use to guage the health of the expediting industry?

Let me modify it further.

What objective and verifiable, EXPEDITING-SPECIFIC, indicators exist that expediters - old, new, and wannabee - can use to guage the health of the expediting industry?
 

chuckwagon

Seasoned Expediter
Like the one post said, what is bad for him, may be good for you.

I think not every indicator, report or situation is going to fit everyone's game plan.

If freight is not moving for one plant for one carrier that same plant could have plenty of freight for another carrier based upon service area, trucks available, etc.

Now, this all comes from a newbie, but, I will say one thing I agree with that most of the vets say - 'this is a hit and miss business' and you have to go find the freight - cause the frieght is not going to just magically come to you.'

Learn your companies freight lanes, there's are more than likely different from another carrriers. Speak to your dispatchers and ask them where they have good movement in and out of.
 

Rollo

Seasoned Expediter
>ATeam: "good" & "bad" are SUBJECTIVE - they cannot be proven
>by OBJECTIVE & VERIFIABLE means, even by the wisest among
>us.

The one element of knowledge that I remember from study of economics 101 was that "economics is known as the dismal science." That meaning we always diagnose, or try to, the "downturns and soft landings" but rarely do we look for answers when things seem to be going "good."

This topic and responses will always illicit "groans and moans" from those that are not producing revenue's to meet their goals, either because they won't make the extra effort to study the "good times" and position themselves for future trends. For myself, it matters little what is good or bad. I want to know where the "good times" are being felt, and don't want to listen to the "wannabes" complaining that they are not being handed loads on a silver platter like they would wish.

That being said, we do know that there is a "real inventory glut" in automotive (the real backbone of expediting). Likewise there is probably a few too many expeditors chasing the fewer loads out there. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see capacity as the underlying element that will shape our industry in the months to come. Like always, being in the right place at the right time is going to take constant effort and maybe some d/h miles. Keep you ear to the ground but don't listen to the doomsayers. Just my two cents worth!
 
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