Are Any Expedited Carriers Concerned with keeping on Own/Op with current low rates?
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zorry
Veteran Expediter
Re: Are Any Expedited Carriers Concerned with keeping on Own/Op with current low rate
This is what confused me.
Isn't FedEx maybe .05-.10 cheaper loaded, but like $1.13 w/fsc empty ?
And you don't have newer contracted / lower paid people to compete with ?
I can't see the Panther is way better argument.
If Panther was better I would think someone would have stepped up and compared the most recent Panther rate to JJ's runs he posted.
They each may be better in different things, but I still think Fed may win in net pay.
Also, as bad as this may seem did anyone notice only a few cents difference between old and new plans on JJ's $4700 of work ?
This is what confused me.
Isn't FedEx maybe .05-.10 cheaper loaded, but like $1.13 w/fsc empty ?
And you don't have newer contracted / lower paid people to compete with ?
I can't see the Panther is way better argument.
If Panther was better I would think someone would have stepped up and compared the most recent Panther rate to JJ's runs he posted.
They each may be better in different things, but I still think Fed may win in net pay.
Also, as bad as this may seem did anyone notice only a few cents difference between old and new plans on JJ's $4700 of work ?
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zorry
Veteran Expediter
Re: Are Any Expedited Carriers Concerned with keeping on Own/Op with current low rate
Dave, are you saying you are running your reefers as dry units to keep them moving and only take a higher rate on temp loads ?
Dave, are you saying you are running your reefers as dry units to keep them moving and only take a higher rate on temp loads ?
Re: Are Any Expedited Carriers Concerned with keeping on Own/Op with current low rate
But isn't the dead head pay only $.40?
FDCC's is $.75 plus FSC.
But isn't the dead head pay only $.40?
FDCC's is $.75 plus FSC.
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Last I heard when I looked into a straight the fed was paying 2.15 a mile with FSC. and 1.05 a mile for cargo vans. That was a couple years back.
Last I heard when I looked into a straight the fed was paying 2.15 a mile with FSC. and 1.05 a mile for cargo vans. That was a couple years back.
Re: Are Any Expedited Carriers Concerned with keeping on Own/Op with current low rate
Times have changed.
Times have changed.
Re: Are Any Expedited Carriers Concerned with keeping on Own/Op with current low rate
That is how we did it for 14 years at Roberts Express/ FedEx Custom Critical. You only get reefer pay on reefer loads. Been that way for years. nothing new.
That is how we did it for 14 years at Roberts Express/ FedEx Custom Critical. You only get reefer pay on reefer loads. Been that way for years. nothing new.
Re: Are Any Expedited Carriers Concerned with keeping on Own/Op with current low rate
So your saying you would go broke at $1.20 a mile base rate with a .05 more for a team, .05 more for a lift gate truck, and .05 more for having haz mat. That's $1.35 plus FSC. We have made more money in six years at Panther than we did the 14 years we was at Roberts Express/FedEx Custom Critical. To be fair I will say we do have more trucks at Panther than we did at FedEx. FedEx Custom Critical is a great company don't get me wrong. They just don't like fleet owners and we could never grow our business with them. Unless that has changed since 2008. FedEx no longer fits our need as a fleet owner that can find it's own freight. DaveKc will tell you that when you can move your truck on your own verse an empty move or a planning relocation is better for everyone.
At Panther you are a true contractor and have full control of your truck. You also can book your own freight on your truck as long as they shipper is okay by Panther.
So your saying you would go broke at $1.20 a mile base rate with a .05 more for a team, .05 more for a lift gate truck, and .05 more for having haz mat. That's $1.35 plus FSC. We have made more money in six years at Panther than we did the 14 years we was at Roberts Express/FedEx Custom Critical. To be fair I will say we do have more trucks at Panther than we did at FedEx. FedEx Custom Critical is a great company don't get me wrong. They just don't like fleet owners and we could never grow our business with them. Unless that has changed since 2008. FedEx no longer fits our need as a fleet owner that can find it's own freight. DaveKc will tell you that when you can move your truck on your own verse an empty move or a planning relocation is better for everyone.
At Panther you are a true contractor and have full control of your truck. You also can book your own freight on your truck as long as they shipper is okay by Panther.
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jamom123
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Re: Are Any Expedited Carriers Concerned with keeping on Own/Op with current low rate
It's not worth it for those rates, the only way to survive is stay in the truck all the time. And guess what i'm not going to do that i have a family and yes i will go broke before i lose all my time with them.
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It's not worth it for those rates, the only way to survive is stay in the truck all the time. And guess what i'm not going to do that i have a family and yes i will go broke before i lose all my time with them.
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zorry
Veteran Expediter
Re: Are Any Expedited Carriers Concerned with keeping on Own/Op with current low rate
Dave, if it works for you and you're happy that's all that matters.
This explains why Dave & Dave keep saying reefer work is dead. It must be at Panther.
To buy and maintain a reefer running at those rates, with an occasional bump up to $1.65 + fsc for a reefer load doesn't add up. Looks like the truck would seldom if ever be $2 all in.
No wonder there's downward pressure on our rates in certain areas. !
Dave, if it works for you and you're happy that's all that matters.
This explains why Dave & Dave keep saying reefer work is dead. It must be at Panther.
To buy and maintain a reefer running at those rates, with an occasional bump up to $1.65 + fsc for a reefer load doesn't add up. Looks like the truck would seldom if ever be $2 all in.
No wonder there's downward pressure on our rates in certain areas. !
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No reefer work is not dead. it;s just being put on company owned trailers. Ask ATeam why he left FedEx. FedEx is no different. I don't know if Jamom123 is running solo or team. Mini runs I do know now pay $275.00 at Panther. If Jamom123 is happy at FedEx CC. that is great. I'm not trying to recruit him. Different strokes for different folks.
No reefer work is not dead. it;s just being put on company owned trailers. Ask ATeam why he left FedEx. FedEx is no different. I don't know if Jamom123 is running solo or team. Mini runs I do know now pay $275.00 at Panther. If Jamom123 is happy at FedEx CC. that is great. I'm not trying to recruit him. Different strokes for different folks.
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They did have a limit of five trucks at one time, that may not be the case now. So to me limiting a fleet owner is not very friendly.
They did have a limit of five trucks at one time, that may not be the case now. So to me limiting a fleet owner is not very friendly.
Re: Are Any Expedited Carriers Concerned with keeping on Own/Op with current low rate
At 1.25 a mile plus FSC, even if I have to DH home from most loads I will make good money, but then again, I do all my maintenance and repairs myself.
At 1.25 a mile plus FSC, even if I have to DH home from most loads I will make good money, but then again, I do all my maintenance and repairs myself.
NTHEWIND
Seasoned Expediter
Re: Are Any Expedited Carriers Concerned with keeping on Own/Op with current low rate
So by doing all your maintenance and repairs yourself you either don't feel your time is worth anything or you are 'paying' yourself and putting the money you saved in the bank?
So by doing all your maintenance and repairs yourself you either don't feel your time is worth anything or you are 'paying' yourself and putting the money you saved in the bank?
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A penny saved is a penny earned.
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A penny saved is a penny earned.
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Re: Are Any Expedited Carriers Concerned with keeping on Own/Op with current low rate
Actually more money for the wife to spend......
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Actually more money for the wife to spend......
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