APU with all the bells, or roof air with portable genset?

bluejaybee

Veteran Expediter
Those rubber mounts are available at speed shops and even regular auto patrs stores,use lock tite or lock nuts on quality bolts.Hoe about a side mount tool box big enough to mount it in side?,not as cheap,but might be a idea

Not sure the tool box idea would work as the unit has to utilize the vents in it's own housing for cooling while running. We (my friend and I) are sort of having a hard time trying to rig a mount that is inexpensive, but yet sufficent to hold unit on truck. I already have lock nuts on all mounting bolts. And check them quit often to insure they are holding. I have discovered that the engine and generator itself, has some kind of rubber mount somewhere, cause you can wiggle the engine and gen without the outside housing moving. So there is some kind of shock system in it. Really haven't had time to check it out in depth. Hard to see everything with the outside housing that is on it.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
The problem with using the new mounts is the rubber is too stiff to provide the right control for the vibration of the road. The older, used softer rubber donuts provide the right hardness for that. Many of the speed shops have urethane spacers, they will work but they are too hard.
 

bluejaybee

Veteran Expediter
The vibration problem that was my original concern, has become reality. As stated in earlier posts, the engine and generator are on a rubber mount inside the housing. After early signs of vibration from road, I did as gregg suggested and put some donut rings on the mounts that hold it on truck frame. I am now reporting that after 37,000 truck miles and 560 hours of generator running, this thing is all shook up. Still runs great and does what a generator is supposed to. I have averaged a fuel consumption of around .40 gallons per hour. I believe the heat and engine block heater pulls more than the AC.

Lately, I have noticed a different sound coming from unit. Couldn't really pin point it, but started seeing smoke (exhaust fumes) coming from area of muffler cover. I really couldn't see enough to determine cause, so I took unit off truck and removed outside housing. The problem was pretty easy to find. It was the muffler. The pipe coming out of muffler had broke loose all the way around the muffler. This is the inlet pipe coming from exhaust manifold. My plans are to replace muffler with an external one. The exaust pipe even has a flexible joint for vibration. The muffler is even shock mounted also. My fuel pump bracket is cracked, there were 2 heat sheilds that had stress cracks at the bolt holes. Another sheild and some covers all have cracks, broke off ears or signs of stress. This thing is being vibrated to shambles.

My thinking is this. Unit was not designed for this type of use. While the unit continues to produce electricity economically for my comfort, it is not going to last. There are some components that are made out of hefty materials, but mounted to paper thin bracing or supports. My initial concerns were of the performance stand point. Like, would unit be able to make extended run periods with no problems. It has passed the test with flying colors. I know it has run for at least 38 hours with no stopping. Very easy on fuel, still uses no oil between 100 hour changes. Only failure to date is the low oil pressure cutoff sensor went bad. If it gets to where it is falling apart and won't run because of it, I am not sure I will go back with another like it. At this point, I am still glad I went this road, but 37000 miles isn't alot of miles on the truck, but it is taking it's toll on this China made generator. Putting a shock mount here and there is one thing. But I can't shock mount everything on it. My belief is that the materials used to construct it are not heavy enough for what I want to use it for. I thought maybe another brand would be different. But after looking, if it is made in China, they all come from same company. Ha! This is no joke! Every brand has the very exact same replacement parts. Crazy.

Just thought I would update this post so if somebody goes looking for a post of this type, they will have my results with using a non APU type generator in the name of saving big bucks.

Also, I have seen where this same type generator is now available as an APU. Only one company in USA has it that I know of and it is $1800. All it does is produce electricty. You furnish heat and AC. I would love to see how it is built if any different from mine.
 

greg334

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Well that's good news I think?

There are about 120 manufactures in China that make these things by the way.

I saw a similar setup a week ago and was impressed at the guy's work. He had the same issues like you have and did what I just suggested with the mounts but he reconstructed all the brackets with 16 gage steel and ended up making a new frame for the engine to sit in. He did something I haven't seen anywhere else. He took a car muffler (very small car) and mounted it on the frame of the generator with two straps. Then took a flex tube from the engine to the muffler and then from the muffler out. He said it quieted the thing down a lot and took the weight off the muffler inlet so not to break it under the vibration.
 

bluejaybee

Veteran Expediter
I am going to do the same with my muffler as the one you saw. I have everything to do it but the muffler. The muffler willl be here Monday. I am going to continue using it the way it is until it won't run or whatever. I am not going to try and beef this thing up. I may try to support the vital items as they become loose, but for now, it is "on with the program".
 

RETIDEPXE

Veteran Expediter
"the engine and generator are on a rubber mount inside the housing. After early signs of vibration from road, I did as gregg suggested and put some donut rings on the mounts that hold it on truck frame."

I found, in my eternal collection of junk at home, a couple of Honda CB750 rubber foot pegs make a good foot/isolator for my Homelite generator. Ofcourse, i just throw this thing on the ground out of the toolbox, not mounted to the truck.

Retidepxe
 

bluejaybee

Veteran Expediter
Any up Date BlueJayBee?

I am on my 3rd China generator. Well, at least my third engine. First generator...after so many hours, the bolts came loose in air filter cover and sucked one down the intake. Believe it or not, they replaced the engine. Course, I had to pay shipping and do labor. That engine went 400+ hours and just started burning oil like crazy. So, I bought a completely new unit and it now has 300+ hours and everything has been tightened and thread locked back on it as it fell off or became loose. At this point, I am sure I have saved money, but sure is a pain to keep it going.

Rooftop is another story. Even vibration killed it. It slung the compressor completely off the mounts and snapped the lines of course. I have replaced it with a portable type that vents out the side of the truck. Believe me, the rooftop reigns in this division. I didn't like the noise of the fan in the rooftop, plus it being overhead, the air blew straight down on me while sleeping. So I thought I would try the portable type. It will not even come close to doing what the rooftop would do. It rated 13,500 just like my rooftop, but it won't cool like it did. And I already hear something starting to rattle inside of it. So I don't know the length of life it will have as yet. But, very unhappy with it's performance in this hot weather.


If I could make an APU fit on my truck, that is the ideal setup to me. I could not find a way to plumb mine in to the existing heat and air I already had in sleeper. Plus the cost of installing it on a truck the age of mine.

I am convinced that if you have the money, buy a quality made diesel generator like Onan or such. Or at least one that is made for a vehicle. Do the rooftop unit. Better air coverage with rooftop.

This is my opinion and is what I did. It may or may not be the best for you. I replied only because I was asked to. Hope I answered your question.
 
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Rocketman

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I know of a few people who have tried the China made gensets and I don't know of any that were satisfied. You need a good quality RV genset to stand up to the vibration. And for the rooftop. I think it's Dometic that makes a heavy duty unit designed for OTR use.

The rooftop unit and a genset seems to be the setup that people are the happiest with overall. If your going to do it, you just have to spend the money to get good quality stuff that can handle the abuse.
 

asjssl

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Fleet Owner
You get what you pay for.....as my dad would say.....perfromance per dollar......

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paullud

Veteran Expediter
I met a driver that had a generator made by Champion, he was happy with the performance and they are cheap.

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chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
8000 btu window shaker and a 2200 watt Honeywell portable generator...will cool the cab and 6 ft of sleep down to 72-74 in laredo when it is over 100*.....if i block the sleeper 6ft off with a freight blanket and cool just the cab during the day, it will get down to 68-70...and that is with the windows covered...
 

golfournut

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I have a Coleman Polar Cub 9200 btu roof top running off of a Honda 2000i. The Honda runs it just fine on eco mode and the ac will freeze me out. I should mention the Sprinter has blown insulation with an R value between 7&9.
 

paullud

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I have a Coleman Polar Cub 9200 btu roof top running off of a Honda 2000i. The Honda runs it just fine on eco mode and the ac will freeze me out. I should mention the Sprinter has blown insulation with an R value between 7&9.

You might have addressed this before but I was wondering if you had any problems with body panels deforming when you used the blown in insulation.

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golfournut

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You might have addressed this before but I was wondering if you had any problems with body panels deforming when you used the blown in insulation.

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No sure haven't and only weighs a couple ounces per cubic foot. Maybe 30 lbs to the van.

The insulation company that did mine has done a lot of Sprinters for another company. They claim about 100 or so over the years. I asked them about it before they started and showed them the pics from here. They guaranteed it in writing. So they did it. $775 with the cargo partition, doors, sides and roof. Huge difference.
 
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paullud

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No sure haven't and only weighs a couple ounces per cubic foot. Maybe 30 lbs to the van.

The insulation company that did mine has done a lot of Sprinters for another company. They claim about 100 or so over the years. I asked them about it before they started and showed them the pics from here. They guaranteed it in writing. So they did it. $775 with the cargo partition, doors, sides and roof. Huge difference.

That sounds like a good deal. How long does the vehicle have to be down for?

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golfournut

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Belaire Foam in Belaire MD just north of Baltimore. They do a lot of industrial on site applications so you need to be a little flexible for when the truck is at their location.
 

paullud

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Belaire Foam in Belaire MD just north of Baltimore. They do a lot of industrial on site applications so you need to be a little flexible for when the truck is at their location.

Thanks, that shouldn't be an issue, both my brothers moved to VA so I can get down that way for some family time and hopefully get this done before winter.

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