Anyone else think this is wrong?

[OntarioVanMan]

I mean they are using taxpayer money!
If you remove some of the risks of drug abuse...darn it!

SAN FRANCISCO City health officials took steps Thursday toward opening the nation's first legal safe-injection room, where addicts could shoot up heroin, cocaine and other drugs under the supervision of nurses.

Hoping to reduce San Francisco's high rate of fatal drug overdoses, the public health department co-sponsored a symposium on the only such facility in North America, a 4-year-old Vancouver site where an estimated 700 users a day self-administer narcotics under the supervision of nurses.

 

[Moot]

I don't suppose they would allow you to have a cigarette while you shoot up. One more piece of evidence supporting the Samer Theory.

 

[LDB]

That is absolutely wrong. They should announce publicly, multiple times over national media, a date at which point all drug interdiction will include poisoning 1/10 of the drugs and then giving them back. The recreational users will hopefully be smart enough to return to their lives minus the drugs and we'll get rid of the addicts who are useless criminals burglarizing and worse to support their habit.

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[OntarioVanMan]

to continue my thinking..

If they make abusing drugs or using drugs safer what deterrent is there??

What next? A supervised bar for alcohlics????

 

[poison]

Anyone have a clean needle and a shot glass?thanks LOL






If a man speaks on the beach where no woman can hear is he still wrong?

 

[cheri1122]

Isn't this similiar to the approach used in the Netherlands, or somewhere like that? I wonder what the results of that program are?
It's clear that we aren't winning the 'war on drugs', and need to find different weapons to protect society. I don't think prohibition is working any better than it did with alcohol, and drug testing is not doing much to prevent it - somehow, I just don't think drug users are applying for jobs, you know?
We tolerate and even sanction the use of alcohol, which doesn't seem a whole lot different to me, so maybe the only rational approach is to treat it like alcohol: legalize it, control it, and tax it.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

Crack cocaine and meth has to be eradicated not tolerated. Dealers and users must be dealt with harshly. Theres no room for these people in my world.

 

[cheri1122]

There's no room for them in a civilized society, either. If the govt could control the supply, dealers would be out of business, and users could be segregated from everyone else - I'm envisioning a kind of jail, where they check in to get high, and aren't released until it wears off. Any crimes committed while inside, such as assault or robbery, are unpunished, because society doesn't care to defend them - they assume whatever risks there are, when they check in. The whole program is paid for by the users, because society doesn't care to support their habits, either. I like it!
Seriously, what the govt has been doing to control illegal drug usage just isn't working, and how much more tax money will they spend, before trying another approach?

 

[greg334]

Cheri, The swiss tried this several times and it has turned out to be a real disaster. The Swiss have pretty much gave up on the idea and moved toward forcing some into rehab and strict control after rehab secretly. Much of the increase in drug use with the swiss has been partly attributed to rather liberal position of freedoms without accountability. The other issue has been tourist don't want to go to a country where drug use is in the open and the swiss acknowledge this.

The Dutch followed suit and they seem to have some success but still I hear most have been dealing with the underground culture and crime.

Legalizing it will make it worst, and trying to keep it controlled will be almost impossible. Take a hard look at the problems we have today and imagine if we legalize it, what controls will be gone then and what damage it will truly have to our society. Just remember two things, most of the drugs that are used are imported and that we have problems with the rights of people who commit crimes who do anything to keep their habit going.

 

[cheri1122]

I admit to not being very current on the issue, but I do think that what the govt has done so far isn't working, and wonder whether another country might have a better idea.
Can you explain how legalizing it would mean less govt control? I don't get that at all...

 

[greg334]

Cheri,
The problem is what do you legalize and what remains illegal? I mean ok Cannabis is one thing but meth or crack? if you legalize one, you will have a lot of people screaming about what they want to use to the point they will claim it is their right and it will end up with a lot more legalized just to shut them up.

Another problem is how would you tax it, using the ATF's form of taxing Alcohol? having the states control distribution?

Yet another problem is society and a person's inability to control their actions, we can't control drunk driving, with many of them getting off after they commit a crime, legalizing drugs will not help at all.

The last problem is that the government has yet to take a real proactive approach to closing down our borders. Most of what is here like I said is imported and with the softening of laws (Michigan had a life without parole sentence for 640 grams or more and that was changed because all these people cried about this guy caught with 11 pounds of cocaine, he should have been shot) and a justice systems that does not actual convict people who sell, the problem will get out of hand quickly without the controls. It is not the guy who has the drugs that uses them that bother me, but it is the guy who as the gang leader who uses kids to sell that really bothers me - if you legalize the drugs, they will be the first at the door asking to become distributors because they already have the clients for the drugs and actually legitimizes them as it did a lot of bootleggers in the 30's. AND what about crime, just because it is legal does not mean that people will stop killing or stealing over it, it will still be a big business.

 

[LDB]

If you want it to drastically reduce then you make it a capital offense to sell drugs with no lesser penalty option and any quantity greater than or equal to the amount that would be an overdose for 1 user equals drug trafficking. Then you start executing them on a weekly basis and before long there are far far fewer sellers. Then you start poisoning around 10% of the supply and putting it back out, with lots of media notice so nobody can claim ignorance, and let the useless junkies kill themselves off with it. The recreational users will hopefully be smart enough to lay off and if not they're not smart enough to have around anyway. Before long at all you have a nearly drug free society.

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[riverrat2000]

knowing that these hopelessly addicted people will pay and do anything to support their habit untill they are pennyless. and you don't think they will end drug addiction, the government are experts at extracting blood from a stone

 

[OntarioVanMan]

I am with Leo on this one...Death to the dealers. I've personally seen too many lives ruined because of this addiction. The justice system is weak on this issue!