Another Ft. Hood shooting

[Turtle]

Good Gord ...

Really ?

Yes, really. The last guy who hijacked a thread is now on a 6 month all expense paid vacation to anywhere but here.

You should take a look around here and have a look at the level of activity on this forum ... or more accurately: the lack thereof ... and try and prevent that ...

Well that's a whole new topic again, isn't it? You are just en fuego today.

Hijacked threads are disruptive and have a direct correlation to the activity, especially the lack thereof, in a thread and the forums. It can be directly measured by the number of people who no longer come back and view a thread once it's been hijacked. If you want to discuss a topic that is different from the one in a thread, start a new thread.

 

[Jamin_Joe]

I hope that they dont try to distract from the real issue, Mental Problems resulting from serving in combat. Whether seeing active fire or performing support operations. I hate to see the way things are unfolding where ivan Lopez is a villian going postal at work.

One of my supervisors was affected by Vietnam and he would snap for no reason, but he couldnt help it due to his flashbacks. I had a major run in with him over his drinking, but in his case it was directly related to his PTSD.
He later appoligized to me for how nasty it got.

I really hate how things get politisized rather than dealing with the real reasons.

Lopez's Facebook posts clearly show he had Mental issues. In no way by saying Mental Issues do I mean it in a condesending way.

 

[layoutshooter]

It is obvious that, as always, the government has little interest is solving the problem. Once they are done using people they are, for the most part, done with them. Once they are no longer serving they are nothing more than financial liabilities.

 

[robh2]

I will say I am also a military dependent and until I got to SAMMC here in San Antonio, I received great care in the military. Here at SAMMC I get treated like a red headed step child and am basically a cast away. I have to fight for most all my medical care. I could understand if someone was unstable being treated the way I am going postal on them. You get so frustrated with all the run around and government laziness. I with they would also treat the wounded across the country better. But I know first hand working with them, its not always the case. Sad and criminal.

 

[layoutshooter]

I will say I am also a military dependent and until I got to SAMMC here in San Antonio, I received great care in the military. Here at SAMMC I get treated like a red headed step child and am basically a cast away. I have to fight for most all my medical care. I could understand if someone was unstable being treated the way I am going postal on them. You get so frustrated with all the run around and government laziness. I with they would also treat the wounded across the country better. But I know first hand working with them, its not always the case. Sad and criminal.

The problems I am seeing is with those who have traumatic brain injuries and/or PTSD. The HEAVY use of psychotropic medications, often without proper monitoring, is, at best, irresponsible.

I have also seen a few cases of severe infections due to improper fitting of prosthetics along with, again, lax monitoring.

I have found that basic health care is good at the VA, but it is often superficial. That is not saying that the medical staff is not caring, it is mostly due to strict "guidelines" on medical care and spending, that are not able to be "customized" to the individual. Since ALL health is an individual issue it tends to lead to many of the problems we are seeing.

IF I were ever to somehow come into a VERY large sum of money my dream would be to open a facility, for facilities, to try to bridge the gap. Far too many veterans are on the streets due to the lack of care that they were never given. Maybe even provide assisted living for aging vets.

 

[Jamin_Joe]

Robh2, sorry that the Goverment let you down. Thank you so much for your service.

Those in the Military deserve respect in my heart felt opinion.

I am very proud of my Nieces and Nephews that Serve.

 

[layoutshooter]

It is getting interesting as more comes out. The "gunman" was given "Ambien" for sleeping. The article did not mention if there were other meds involved, yet. "Ambien" has a rare but documented history of bizarre side affects. Use in conjunction with other anti-depressants can make it worse. Is it possible that this is NOT the fault of the gunman? IF is was due to the medications would it not be a good idea to "curtail" their use until more studies are done?

There is a LOT of money at stake. Is there any connection between the use of many medications by the government and that money? It is worth looking into.

Fort Hood gunman's attack mystifies hometown

Ambien, delusions, and violence: Is there a link? | Psychology Today

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...n-delusions-and-violence-is-there-link-part-2

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/15/business/15drug.ready.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

 

[Jamin_Joe]

Doesn't Abien have a hypnotic side effect warning on the bottle.

Interesting article about this,
Emergency Visits Due To Ambien Skyrocket - Medical News Today

Possible lawsuit?
Adverse Reactions to Zolpidem: Case Reports and a Review of the Literature

No wonder they're tying to cover it up.

 

[layoutshooter]

This is only the tip of the iceberg of what is going on in the military and VA.

 

[cheri1122]

Doesn't Abien have a hypnotic side effect warning on the bottle.

Interesting article about this,
Emergency Visits Due To Ambien Skyrocket - Medical News Today

Possible lawsuit?
Adverse Reactions to Zolpidem: Case Reports and a Review of the Literature

No wonder they're tying to cover it up.

What's interesting isn't the increased emergency room visits [a misleading statistic, as it doesn't say how many were needless visits], but the number of people being prescribed sleeping pills. Particularly people who are already on other medications, which is where the trouble lies: combining the meds.
You have to wonder whether the docs prescribing are aware of the other meds, or are not explaining to patients the need to avoid combining some of them? Or whether the patients just ignore the advice & cautions?
I suspect the blame is on both sides: docs who prescribe without knowing what else the patient is taking, and fail to warn against combining certain meds, and the patients who are warned, but disregard it.
Then there's the fact that long term effects aren't known when drugs are approved, so some effects appear only with long term use.
It's complicated, definitely.

 

[Jamin_Joe]

I agree with personal responsibility, especially mixing drugs. I feel that the Military Leadership is trying shift blame on the Lopez, which I feel is wrong. I truely belive that this is a medical issue related to direct/indirect contact with combat

 

[layoutshooter]

People trust their doctors. They do not believe that they would be given medications, or a combination of medications, that would harm them. It is becoming apparent that, in the military, that may not be the case.

The primary drive in medicine in the military, and the VA, is lowering cost. It SHOULD be proper care. Pump them full of drugs and send them on their way.

As the nation continues down the path to total socialized medicine you will see the same kind of government attitude in everyone's health care. You can already see little "snippets" of that. You can see the guidelines for PSA screening being lowered. Same for mammograms. Just the other day they announced that it is OK for older people to have higher blood pressure and that millions will be able to go off their BP meds. Are all these changes due to better information or just to lower costs?