another extension?...

[layoutshooter]

Ok,I give up, let's tell our government to cut all unemployment benefits,welfare,food stamps,everything,lets not help any of our citizens. You think crime is bad now,people are going to be desperate to feed there families. Talk about homeless,just think about how many there will be. Crimes will skyrocket. Most don't like panhandlers now,well just wait,there won't be one on every corner, there will be twelve. Did I mention the fact that those who do have jobs or run a business won't see any decrease in taxes,they will still need that money for there more important matters,like new Data centers to store your phone records and emails.Oh, and don't try to tell me it won't happen because those people will just be forced to go to work,where are the jobs?

No body said to away with unemployment, just doing away with the SECOND unemployment. We don't need TWO welfare programs.

Our citizens also have to learn to help themselves. FAR too many won't work one or two low paying jobs, like many are and have in the past, it's easier to sit on extended unemployment. FAR too many won't get off their butts and move to where jobs are available. Far too many refuse to upgrade skills and education and want paid top dollar for entry level jobs. More time needs spent looking in mirrors for many people.

Taxes, and a government that keeps changing rules in midstream, are two of the biggest reasons that jobs are some what scarce.

Helping people, short term, is fine. Supporting them for years on end is not. That is what we have now. That is why nothing is improving.

 

[aquitted]

we are 17.3 TRILLION dollars in debt.

And can anyone really comprehend how much 17.3 trillion really is?
Were screwed!

 

[runrunner]

No where near 60% is spent on social programs. This is 2010,but not to far off for 2013.
You can call social security, a social program but it isn't funded by Income taxes it is funded by the people who collect it, and there employers. People who collect, paid into the system.It is a forced retirement plan.We need it because people on the lower end of the pay scale can't pay rent and buy food or whatever and save enough for retirement,without it when these people get old and can't work,they would be in the street.
Fiscal FactCheck

 

[runrunner]

There aren't has many people sitting around on welfare as you might think. There are many collecting who could get off, and go get a job of some kind yes. If they want to kick back and just get by on that little bit of money,I say more power to them,there only hurting themselves,cause that leaves a job open for someone who really wants it and will do well with it.Remember US population is around 317 million.
Welfare Statistics | Statistic Brain

There are about 12 million on Welfare,and they don't live very well. Despite what everyone claim's they don't drive fancy cars and live better than working people,just drive through any poor neighborhood in America. With the low morals of today if welfare was that good, you would have 200 million people collecting.

 

[davekc]

No where near 60% is spent on social programs. This is 2010,but not to far off for 2013.
You can call social security, a social program but it isn't funded by Income taxes it is funded by the people who collect it, and there employers. People who collect, paid into the system.It is a forced retirement plan.We need it because people on the lower end of the pay scale can't pay rent and buy food or whatever and save enough for retirement,without it when these people get old and can't work,they would be in the street.
Fiscal FactCheck

If just looking at social security, you are correct in that people pay in to that program. The problem is they take out much more than they put in. You also have disability claims running at a all time high. With less people working, it is amazing how so many suddenly become disabled.
The reality. They use this as a replacement when unemployment runs out.
As for entitlements, I don't think anyone is against helping people.
But, it must have a time limit. It is amazing how motivated people get when their benefits are about to run out.

 

[layoutshooter]

There aren't has many people sitting around on welfare as you might think. There are many collecting who could get off, and go get a job of some kind yes. If they want to kick back and just get by on that little bit of money,I say more power to them,there only hurting themselves,cause that leaves a job open for someone who really wants it and will do well with it.Remember US population is around 317 million.
Welfare Statistics | Statistic Brain

There are about 12 million on Welfare,and they don't live very well. Despite what everyone claim's they don't drive fancy cars and live better than working people,just drive through any poor neighborhood in America. With the low morals of today if welfare was that good, you would have 200 million people collecting.

You need to go walk the streets of Detroit. It would give you an entire new outlook.

 

[davekc]

There aren't has many people sitting around on welfare as you might think. There are many collecting who could get off, and go get a job of some kind yes. If they want to kick back and just get by on that little bit of money,I say more power to them,there only hurting themselves,cause that leaves a job open for someone who really wants it and will do well with it.Remember US population is around 317 million.
Welfare Statistics | Statistic Brain

There are about 12 million on Welfare,and they don't live very well. Despite what everyone claim's they don't drive fancy cars and live better than working people,just drive through any poor neighborhood in America. With the low morals of today if welfare was that good, you would have 200 million people collecting.

Are you sure?
Maine governor says welfare benefits used at bars, strip clubs, smoke shops | Fox News

 

[runrunner]

Just a few factiods about unemployment insurance:

The state foots the bill for 26 weeks; after that the Feds take over. That's the issue they're voting on right now in DC - the Federal "emergency" funding.

Using OH as an example; (although they payments vary widely among the states) OH pays $524 per week. That's equivalent to just over $13 per hour based on a 40-hr week. Many states are much lower than that, and I'm surprised there hasn't been legislation or an executive order to make all states pay the same rate. Why shouldn't all the states pay the same as Rhode Island - $600.

Maximum Weekly Unemployment Compensation By State - 2013

In the Obama economy a job that pays that much and offers 40 hrs is hard to find. Many college grads - among them single parents - are working retail part time for $8-9 per hour. Try making ends meet with that income. This is all part of the "fundamental change" that Barack Hussein Obama promised us in his first campaign: govt dependence and economic mediocrity for all - it's called "fairness", AKA SOCIALISM.

You are talking the Maximum amount that can be collected, many collect the Minimum benefit,what you collect is based on what you earned at that job.

 

[runrunner]

Are you sure?
Maine governor says welfare benefits used at bars, strip clubs, smoke shops | Fox News

Yes, there are people that misuse there money or some of it, we all know that. Fox news likes to play those stories up,most know that as well. One story you will never see on Fox, is the single mother going to Nursing school, or some other school on Welfare and food stamps.You won't see any positive coverage on Fox, not because it isn't there, but because it is against the view's that they promote.

 

[davekc]

You are talking the Maximum amount that can be collected, many collect the Minimum benefit,what you collect is based on what you earned at that job.

That is only looking at welfare and not the other free stuff they get. Like subsidized housing, utilities, subsidized food, cable, free internet, free medical, discount transportation, free cell phones, and the list goes on.
This is how you have people on welfare shopping for 200 shoes, have x boxes, and of course 8 in 10 have a big screen tv and two cars in the family.

 

[runrunner]

You need to go walk the streets of Detroit. It would give you an entire new outlook.

I have been to Detroit, and seen those bad areas, I would not want to live there.

 

[LDB]

Yes, it is shifted from one person to another,but it keeps us out of depression. The buck keeps turning and feeding the economy.

Listening to a lot of Ed Schultz and Rachel Maddow are you? It doesn't work that way at all. Person A has some money. The government reaches into person A's pocket, removing $350. It is given to person B, who didn't earn it. Yes, the buck turns from person B into the economy. Where your (and the regime's) theory fails is that person A now has $350 less to turn into the economy. The net effect is zero. A = -$350 B = +$350. Bottom line = $0. That liberal logic will kill you every time.

 

[runrunner]

That is only looking at welfare and not the other free stuff they get. Like subsidized housing, utilities, subsidized food, cable, free internet, free medical, discount transportation, free cell phones, and the list goes on.
This is how you have people on welfare shopping for 200 shoes, have x boxes, and of course 8 in 10 have a big screen tv and two cars in the family.

The minimum I was referring to was unemployment. Welfare has no minimum or maximum,it is based on household size. What you speak of as freebees is a gross exaggeration. I agree that the system gets abused. I know that the system helps people who are willing to use it as a hand up and not just as a hand out. People exaggerate welfare benefits just like they do prison,prison is not a pleasant place,but to hear some people talk it's like the Hilton.

 

[davekc]

The minimum I was referring to was unemployment. Welfare has no minimum or maximum,it is based on household size. What you speak of as freebees is a gross exaggeration. I agree that the system gets abused. I know that the system helps people who are willing to use it as a hand up and not just as a hand out. People exaggerate welfare benefits just like they do prison,prison is not a pleasant place,but to hear some people talk it's like the Hilton.

Out of the "free stuff" they can get, what would you say is misrepresented?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bP_izYhdehY

 

[runrunner]

Listening to a lot of Ed Schultz and Rachel Maddow are you? It doesn't work that way at all. Person A has some money. The government reaches into person A's pocket, removing $350. It is given to person B, who didn't earn it. Yes, the buck turns from person B into the economy. Where your (and the regime's) theory fails is that person A now has $350 less to turn into the economy. The net effect is zero. A = -$350 B = +$350. Bottom line = $0. That liberal logic will kill you every time.

Good point,except no one said that 350.00 wouldn't get to the economy anyway. What is being said is it gives 350.00 to help someone who would not have had it,hopefully to pull themselves up.
My argument is the government is gonna tax you regardless, so some of those taxes may as well be spent helping our own citizens. Would you really think this was a great country if when you walked out your door it looked like some third world country. We have slums,but the are way different than third world slums. Yes there are people that are scamming the system and getting a better lifestyle than they should for free. Just like our justice system sometimes guilty people go free and innocent people go to jail. It ain't perfect, if you want to call yourself a great country you must help citizens in need. There are lazy people. The less I see sleeping on the sidewalk,the better I feel. The so called free ride they get is not as good as some think. If it was there would be a lot more collecting welfare. Why do we work, because it is the right thing to do,but that is not the main reason,the main reason we work is because we can earn way more than any one will give us.

 

[runrunner]

Out of the "free stuff" they can get, what would you say is misrepresented?
Fox News Follows California Beach Bum Living Off Food Stamps For Years - YouTube

I agreed there are deadbeats. Don't deny it at all. That was one guy and one story and I am sure there are many more just as disgusting. That is not typical of everyone that gets food stamps. Weed those people out and shut them off,but continue to help those that are helping themselves.

 

[LDB]

Out of the "free stuff" they can get, what would you say is misrepresented?
Fox News Follows California Beach Bum Living Off Food Stamps For Years - YouTube

Yeah, what a piece of human garbage, a thief, empowered by the smug pompous scum in chief that authorized this theft.

 

[davekc]

I agreed there are deadbeats. Don't deny it at all. That was one guy and one story and I am sure there are many more just as disgusting. That is not typical of everyone that gets food stamps. Weed those people out and shut them off,but continue to help those that are helping themselves.

Very true. To eliminate that problem is why you put time limits on this stuff or make them work for the benefits if they want them after a certain period of time. Plenty of non-skilled jobs available they could do if they want a endless cycle of collecting from the taxpayers.

 

[runrunner]

Out of the "free stuff" they can get, what would you say is misrepresented?
Fox News Follows California Beach Bum Living Off Food Stamps For Years - YouTube

The guy is a bum,he doesn't even have an address,no place to live and he gets 200.00 a month in food stamps. Where is his free internet,housing and all that other stuff. I bet that car wasn't even his,that was a friends house cause they said at the beginning that he had no address. Fox served that up to discredit the food stamp program and Obama,cause they don't like either one. Like I said before,Fox ain't gonna show you the good because that ain't what there about.

 

[davekc]

The guy is a bum,he doesn't even have an address,no place to live and he gets 200.00 a month in food stamps. Where is his free internet,housing and all that other stuff. I bet that car wasn't even his,that was a friends house cause they said at the beginning that he had no address. Fox served that up to discredit the food stamp program and Obama,cause they don't like either one. Like I said before,Fox ain't gonna show you the good because that ain't what there about.

Certainly seemed to be living ok. Didn't seem to have a problem paying for his partying or his musical equipment. Seemed to be happy that he was able to scam the system with ease. No requirements at all other than reapplying ever year and get his check. These stories are knee deep through the internet. One hardly needs to go to Fox to find them.