Another ban on full veils comes into force

EnglishLady

Veteran Expediter
BBC News

A law has come into force in Belgium banning women from wearing the full Islamic veil in public.

The country is the second European Union nation after France to enforce such a ban. Offenders face a fine of 137.5 euros (£121; $197) and up to seven days in jail.

Two women who wear full veils launched an immediate court challenge, saying the law is discriminatory.

France, home to Europe's biggest Muslim population, enforced its ban in April.

Belgium's law bans any clothing that obscures the identity of the wearer in places like parks and on the street.

It was passed almost unanimously by the lower house of parliament in April 2010.

MPs voted with only two abstentions to back the legislation on the grounds of security, to allow police to identify people.

Other MPs said that full face veils such as the burka or the niqab were a symbol of the oppression of women.

But critics of the law say it could end up excluding women, leaving those who do wear the full veil trapped in their homes.

And they say the measures are over the top - estimates suggest only a few dozen women wear this kind of veil in Belgium, out of a Muslim population of about half a million.

"We consider the law a disproportionate intrusion into fundamental rights such as the freedom of religion and expression," Ines Wouters, the lawyer representing the two women challenging the ban, told the newspaper La Libre.

She has taken their case to Belgium's constitutional court, where she will request a suspension of the law, AFP news agency reported



Grounds of security?
Intrusion of privacy?
Discrimination?
Intrusion of fundamental rights?
Trapping veiled woman in their homes?
Symbol of oppression?


:rolleyes:
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
From the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights ...

Article 10
Freedom of thought, conscience and religion
1. Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion. This right includes freedom to change religion or belief and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or inprivate, to manifest religion or belief, in worship, teaching, practice and observance.

Makes one wonder when Europe will stop claiming they are better than us and actually practice what they preach to us. At least our constitution has only 440 words with no protocols that opt states out of it.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Sue,
a lot of the criticism that we hear (read) from those in the European press and in Europe general all seem to be leaning towards the fact that we are yet to be an enlighten country by their standards.

We are like the cousins when someone needs an appliance moved, we get called but forgotten for those other family events unless they run out of cash.

We have yet to outlaw any religious dress, like burkas and we most likely won't. We don't beat our immigrants up or keep them on the lower scale of our society but allow them to do what they want to do to earn a living.

France who's motto is Liberté, Égalité and Fraternité seems to me should be Sûreté, Ordre, Inégalité instead. They are quick to criticize us for our actions and way we do things but have nothing to speak of. I think it was that famous war correspondent and all time commentator who said it best when he said the French have not earned the right to protest against the U.S.

The same goes for Belgium, who make really good fries by the way (ever have them?). They seem to be quick to criticize us but fail to understand what they do is far worse.
 

EnglishLady

Veteran Expediter
Sue,
a lot of the criticism that we hear (read) from those in the European press and in Europe general all seem to be leaning towards the fact that we are yet to be an enlighten country by their standards.

We are like the cousins when someone needs an appliance moved, we get called but forgotten for those other family events unless they run out of cash.

We have yet to outlaw any religious dress, like burkas and we most likely won't. We don't beat our immigrants up or keep them on the lower scale of our society but allow them to do what they want to do to earn a living.

France who's motto is Liberté, Égalité and Fraternité seems to me should be Sûreté, Ordre, Inégalité instead. They are quick to criticize us for our actions and way we do things but have nothing to speak of. I think it was that famous war correspondent and all time commentator who said it best when he said the French have not earned the right to protest against the U.S.

The same goes for Belgium, who make really good fries by the way (ever have them?). They seem to be quick to criticize us but fail to understand what they do is far worse.



LOL

Well as you know there is no love lost between the British and the French, they live in their own little fantasy world !
The Belgians - I don't really know much about them and, no, I haven't tried their CHIPS :p

As for UK - when Blair was in the hot seat, we were called, by our own press, America's Poodle, cos we follow whatever America wants.

The British ppl in the main, think every American is rich with a swimming pool LOL
I think that stems from WWII when Americans in Britain tipped for everything ....... so it was seen by the Brits as Americans flaunting money, hence they must be rich :p
 
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