ANOTHER attack on the United States

[Ragman]

Geezus ... someone please cue The Twilight Zone opening theme will ya ...

 

[Turtle]

Will do, and you can read the definitions of invade again.

Why should I? I already know what they are. They're right there and don't need to be interpreted to make them mean what I need them to mean. They already mean what they mean. Know what I mean?

 

[Pilgrim]

It depends on the definition of mean.

 

[Unclebob]

What is YOUR solution? You don't want a wall/fence. No troops. Is your solution to do nothing and hope for the best?

Besides, you are ignoring history. The walls/fences built by the Soviets were built to keep their own people from trying to escape their horror. Some are talking about building a wall/fence to defend the sovereignty, and security, of the Nation. Which is the most important function of the Federal government and the one function our government is doing NOTHING about.

There are only two choices, close and control the borders, or cease to exist as a Nation.

It is very naive to compare the proposed wall/fence on our borders to what happened in Marxist controlled Eastern Europe.

Only 2 choices?


Cease to exist as a nation?



I'm pretty sure there are other countries out there with borders that are less controlled than ours that have not ceased to exist as nations.



The PROPOSED walls and fences have been built already and what's up there are not stopping them from coming over.

You wanted walls and fences we built them.

You wanted more Border Patrol we put more Border Patrol on.

Now you want 250000 troops?

Next it will be a million troops.

We do control our borders. Is it perfect? No, it can never be perfect.


Then you complain because we catch illegal aliens.

Are you unhappy because we don't just shoot them down like dogs. If that is the kind of country you want I'm glad you're not in control.

 

[aquitted]

Good one uncle Bob!

 

[RLENT]

Good one uncle Bob!

Sing it Unclebob and Brother aquitted ...

 

[muttly]

Why should I? I already know what they are. They're right there and don't need to be interpreted to make them mean what I need them to mean. They already mean what they mean. Know what I mean?

The word invade has at least four different meanings. Some of them not necessarily with hostile intent. Illegal aliens can be invaders with hostile intent or without hostile intent. Regardless, they are invading our laws, which we use to secure our country.

 

[aristotle]

As told from another perspective: Child Immigrants Are Being Kept In 'Kennels' At The US Border

 

[Turtle]

The word invade has at least four different meanings. Some of them not necessarily with hostile intent. Illegal aliens can be invaders with hostile intent or without hostile intent. Regardless, they are invading our laws, which we use to secure our country.

You didn't look up hostile or intent, did you? If you did, you'd know you are wrong. Hostile intent is a requirement of every definition of invader. Can't be an invader without it, regardless of whether or not there was any conscious intent or conscious hostility.

 

[muttly]

You didn't look up hostile or intent, did you? If you did, you'd know you are wrong. Hostile intent is a requirement of every definition of invader. Can't be an invader without it, regardless of whether or not there was any conscious intent or conscious hostility.

Go back and read definition #2 of invade. It says nothing about intent. I'll use it in a sentence for you: The man in the bank line was unaware that he was standing too close to the person in front of him, and invading his space. No intent.

 

[Pilgrim]

You didn't look up hostile or intent, did you? If you did, you'd know you are wrong. Hostile intent is a requirement of every definition of invader. Can't be an invader without it, regardless of whether or not there was any conscious intent or conscious hostility.

Absolutely, positively incorrect. Not sure which dictionary LOS used, but this one is from Merriam-Webster. Pay particular attention to #2. (emphasis mine)

in·vade
verb\in-ˈvād\
: to enter (a place, such as a foreign country) in order to take control by military force
: to enter (a place) in large numbers
: to enter or be in (a place where you are not wanted)


Examples of INVADE

• The troops invaded at dawn.
• When tourists invade, the town is a very different place.
• The cancer eventually invaded the brain.
• Weeds had invaded the garden.
• Bacteria invaded and caused an infection.

Origin of INVADE

Middle English, from Latin invadere, from in- + vadere to go — more at wade First Known Use: 15th century

Invade - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

There are all kinds of instances of which invaders or invasions can exist without hostile intent. Here are a couple of others that involve humans:

Thousands of tourists invade the beaches of Rio de Janeiro | Demotix.com

TOUR BUS FLOCKS: Gospel tourists invade Harlem churches - Appeal-Democrat: Home

 

[Pilgrim]

Only 2 choices?


Cease to exist as a nation?



I'm pretty sure there are other countries out there with borders that are less controlled than ours that have not ceased to exist as nations.



The PROPOSED walls and fences have been built already and what's up there are not stopping them from coming over.

You wanted walls and fences we built them.

You wanted more Border Patrol we put more Border Patrol on.

Now you want 250000 troops?

Next it will be a million troops.

We do control our borders. Is it perfect? No, it can never be perfect.


Then you complain because we catch illegal aliens.

Are you unhappy because we don't just shoot them down like dogs. If that is the kind of country you want I'm glad you're not in control.

The proposed walls and fences have only been partially funded and built. There is no will from the Obama administration to enforce the existing laws or even make a reasonable effort to control our borders - that's the problem.

The real issue when it comes to immigration is not simply what particular immigration policy America should have, but whether America can have any immigration policy at all.

A country that does not control its own borders does not have any immigration policy. There may be laws on the books, but such laws are just meaningless words if people from other countries can cross the borders whenever they choose...

Questions about immigration and citizenship are questions about irreversible decisions that can permanently change the composition of the American population and the very culture of the country -- perhaps in the direction of the cultures of the countries from which illegal immigrants have fled.

During the era of epidemics that swept across Europe in centuries past, people fleeing from those epidemics often spread the diseases to the places to which they fled. Counterproductive and dangerous cultures can be spread to America the same way.

Willful ignorance is not the way to make immigration decisions or any other decisions. Yet the Obama administration is keeping secret even where they are dumping illegal immigrants by the thousands, in communities far from the border states.

Bordering on Madness - Thomas Sowell - Page full

 

[Turtle]

No intent, but the context of #2 is violate, which is hostile, intentional or not.

 

[RLENT]

You didn't look up hostile or intent, did you?

Probably not ... and he clearly didn't look up evading either ... (... sounds like ... ?)

But don't worry: he'll get you all straightened out on it ...

... Illegal aliens can be invaders with hostile intent or without hostile intent. Regardless, they are invading our laws, which we use to secure our country.

... probably one of those "We-need-to-make-English-the-law-in-Murrika" fellas ... lol ...

 

[layoutshooter]

"Grab yore shootin irons and come down to the Texas Border. We are being invaded by all sorts of hooligans."


Written by an old "used spy" who lives down in Texas.

 

[muttly]

No intent, but the context of #2 is violate, which is hostile, intentional or not.

Agree, it is hostile, although that word has different usages as well: A hostile witness was forced to take the stand.
Layouts usage of invader is correct.
As example: The illegal aliens violated (invaded) our borders and were able to enter our country. Due to some politicians public comments that they were all welcomed, some illegal aliens believed they weren't violating(invading) any U.S. Laws.( Lacked intent to break law.)

 

[skyraider]

We could put all these children on a reservation,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,that worked out well for us. A never ending story, but someone will figure this out soon I hope. I got, I got, lets put gambling casinos along the border,,,wow, that's working well in other places.

 

[muttly]

Probably not ... and he clearly didn't look up evading either ... (... sounds like ... ?)

But don't worry: he'll get you all straightened out on it ...


... probably one of those "We-need-to-make-English-the-law-in-Murrika" fellas ... lol ...

Turtle wrote:
'No intent, but the context of #2 is violate, which is hostile, intentional or not.'
Considering the word VIOLATE is in the definition of the word INVADE, the sentence DOES work. Just thought I'd straighten that out for you. Hahaha...

 

[Turtle]

Agree, it is hostile, although that word has different usages as well: A hostile witness was forced to take the stand.
Layouts usage of invader is correct.
As example: The illegal aliens violated (invaded) our borders and were able to enter our country. Due to some politicians public comments that they were all welcomed, some illegal aliens believed they weren't violating(invading) any U.S. Laws.( Lacked intent to break law.)

And LOS wants to shoot them all. Hey, they knew what chance they were taking.

 

[muttly]

It's not necessary to shoot them.