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[JohnWC]

when i'm running I've got not much choice but to use fast food mainly because I can be in and out in less than 5 min but while everybody is looking at a white cop shooting a black man and a black cop shooting a white man what is our government doing behind our backs to fill their pockets again

 

[layoutshooter]

We don't use any fast food, except Subway, or McDonald's. McDonald's is ONLY for burritos. They are only 300 Calories and a buck. We buy 10 at a time and freeze them. That saves even more time. We carry food to avoid stopping at fast food joints.

The thing with the cops will go on as long as We The People allow it too. Until we take back control of the government, nothing will change.

 

[davekc]

As for Burger King, they still will pay the same taxes on profits earned in the US just like they did before the Timmy sale. With regards to all the other stuff, it is for the most part a cultural thing. The ones that step out from the culture, are strangely, the ones who succeed.
Does Bill Cosby have it right?


BILL HAS GONE AND DONE IT AGAIN...

They're standing on the corner and they can't speak English.
I can't even talk the way these people talk:
Why you ain't,
Where you is,
What he drive,
Where he stay,
Where he work,
Who you be...
And I blamed the kid until I heard the mother talk.
And then I heard the father talk.
Everybody knows it's important to speak English except these knuckleheads. You can't be a doctor with that kind of crap coming out of your mouth.
In fact you will never get any kind of job making a decent living.


People marched and were hit in the face with rocks to get an Education, and now we've got these knuckleheads walking around.
The lower economic people are not holding up their end in this deal.
These people are not parenting. They are buying things for kids.
$500 sneakers for what?
And they won't spend $200 for Hooked on Phonics.

I am talking about these people who cry when their son is standing there in an orange suit.
Where were you when he was 2?
Where were you when he was 12?
Where were you when he was 18 and how come you didn't know that he had a pistol?
And where is the father? Or who is his father?
People putting their clothes on backward:
Isn't that a sign of something gone wrong?
People with their hats on backward, pants down around the crack, isn't that a sign of something?

Isn't it a sign of something when she has her dress all the way up and got all type of needles [piercing] going through her body?
What part of Africa did this come from??
We are not Africans. Those people are not Africans; they don't know a thing about Africa .....

I say this all of the time. It would be like white people saying they are European-American. That is totally stupid.
I was born here, and so were my parents and grand parents and, very likely my great grandparents. I don't have any connection to Africa, no more than white Americans have to Germany , Scotland , England , Ireland , or the Netherlands . The same applies to 99 percent of all the black Americans as regards to Africa . So stop, already! ! !
With names like Shaniqua, Taliqua and Mohammed and all of that crap ......... And all of them are in jail.

Brown or black versus the Board of Education is no longer the white person's problem.
We have got to take the neighborhood back.
People used to be ashamed. Today a woman has eight children with eight different 'husbands' -- or men or whatever you call them now.
We have millionaire football players who cannot read.
We have million-dollar basketball players who can't write two paragraphs. We, as black folks have to do a better job.
Someone working at Wal-Mart with seven kids, you are hurting us.
We have to start holding each other to a higher standard..
We cannot blame the white people any longer.'

~Dr.. William Henry 'Bill' Cosby, Jr., Ed..D.

 

[layoutshooter]

Bill has it correct. He is saying, in a longer way, look in the mirror bubba.

 

[JohnWC]

yep i'm one of the lucky ones who doesn't have to worry about my weight never had to but in sit down meals I eat mainly veggys the only thing I miss about being out on the road is my garden But when are we as in Americans going to take back our country Wev'e had one group running andcontroling this country for the last 60 years they own most of the banks they owned the getto's and we pay the bills and yes their high up in the dumbocrats and the rebumbcans and media but as long as we are looking at the bull____ I'm just wondering what they are doing now

 

[layoutshooter]

We are not going to take it back. Hillary is the next putz in line. The media has already crowned her queen.

 

[JohnWC]

Hillary LOL they have us looking there so they can slip someone else in there. Untiil we all come together and only then will we be able to move forward as a country

 

[layoutshooter]

We are being divided, on purpose. The 'federal indoctrination" centers, otherwise known as "public schools", have been teaching dependence and division for decades. They have accomplished their goals.

 

[JohnWC]

but who is the group that is coming out on top in all of this it hasn't been Americans .We are losing inch by inch .At a slow rate

 

[layoutshooter]

but who is the group that is coming out on top in all of this it hasn't been Americans .We are losing inch by inch .At a slow rate

The elitists and those who own them.

 

[JohnWC]

Who is that? Who own's? who's ready to cry poor me I need help but owns most of the intrest in everything and it's not white,black or indian in America

 

[layoutshooter]

I don't give a crap anymore. I can't fix it. I can't change it. I would if I could.

I am owed ONLY what I earned, and will not even get that. This nation rewards criminals and punishes law abiding citizens. I can't fight it anymore. I can't win. There is no way to win.

 

[cheri1122]

No, today they get mugged, raped, beaten and/or shot instead because they're white. Speaking in terms of the present, I'm guessing there aren't as many areas in Salt Lake City as there are in St. Louis (or Chicago, Atlanta, Memphis, Cleveland, NYC, LA, Detroit - pick any major metro area) where white people dare not go for fear of their lives, and anybody that's ever made an expedite pickup or delivery in one of these places knows what I'm talking about.

It's become accepted in American society that these ghettos exist but nobody wants to do anything about it. Let the gangs, drug pushers and pimps run these places and so long as they just kill each other the politicians just look the other way. In this day and age there simply aren't any white equivalents to these dangerous pestholes of crime and poverty where the black man dares not go. If there were, the feds would be in there with their tanks, Bradley vehicles and National Guardsmen armed to the teeth to clean them out. As it stands now, so long as the blacks keep killing each other the politicians have more important things to do and Al, Jessie & the other race hustlers stay in business.

To rebut the statement that there are no places in America "where a black man dares not go" I offer the following:

Chris Lollie, a black man living in St Paul, Mn, was waiting to pick up his kids from a daycare, sitting in a skyway atrium, when a policewoman approached and demanded to see some ID. He politely told her why he was there, and that he wasn't required to identify himself, unless suspected of breaking a law The LEO and Lollie continued to reiterate the same statements until another LEO [male] arrived, and the situation quickly escalated. The male LEO repeatedly demanded that Lollie place his hands behind his back, which Lollie declined to do, explaining that his children were waiting for him to take them home. Unimpressed, the male LEO hit Lollie with a Taser, then handcuffed him, and took him to jail. The charges? Trespassing [in a public place], resisting arrest [who wouldn't?] and interfering with police business [harassing innocent people?] were all dropped, of course, but the police continue to maintain they did nothing wrong.
There absolutely ARE places "where black men dare not go", but they're not the pestilential ghettos to which you refer, but the enclaves of white people who suspect black people don't belong there.
Read the news accounts, watch the video on YouTube - then tell me that Chris Lollie [and the black people in Ferguson and everywhere else in the US] are lying about racism.
If we can't admit it is wrong, and make changes to stop it, there will be many more places like Ferguson.
LEOs need to stop assuming black people are suspicious, and escalating situations like Lollie's, before the whole country is in flames.

 

[muttly]

To rebut the statement that there are no places in America "where a black man dares not go" I offer the following:

Chris Lollie, a black man living in St Paul, Mn, was waiting to pick up his kids from a daycare, sitting in a skyway atrium, when a policewoman approached and demanded to see some ID. He politely told her why he was there, and that he wasn't required to identify himself, unless suspected of breaking a law The LEO and Lollie continued to reiterate the same statements until another LEO [male] arrived, and the situation quickly escalated. The male LEO repeatedly demanded that Lollie place his hands behind his back, which Lollie declined to do, explaining that his children were waiting for him to take them home. Unimpressed, the male LEO hit Lollie with a Taser, then handcuffed him, and took him to jail. The charges? Trespassing [in a public place], resisting arrest [who wouldn't?] and interfering with police business [harassing innocent people?] were all dropped, of course, but the police continue to maintain they did nothing wrong.
There absolutely ARE places "where black men dare not go", but they're not the pestilential ghettos to which you refer, but the enclaves of white people who suspect black people don't belong there.
Read the news accounts, watch the video on YouTube - then tell me that Chris Lollie [and the black people in Ferguson and everywhere else in the US] are lying about racism.
If we can't admit it is wrong, and make changes to stop it, there will be many more places like Ferguson.
LEOs need to stop assuming black people are suspicious, and escalating situations like Lollie's, before the whole country is in flames.

I noticed you didn't mention the INITIAL security guard encounter in your post. He was repeatedly asked to leave the area by private security at the bank because it wasn't an area for the public. The individual refused to leave. The police were then called.

 

[cheri1122]

I noticed you didn't mention the INITIAL security guard encounter in your post. He was repeatedly asked to leave the area by private security at the bank because it wasn't an area for the public. The individual refused to leave. The police were then called.

I can't say whether the 'skyway atrium' was public, but it was accessible to the public, and such areas are frequently used by the public, without anyone calling the cops on them.
If it is a private area, it wasn't posted, and for that reason [if no other], the cops should have given this man the benefit of the doubt. It would have taken 5 minutes to confirm his story, [the New Horizons Center was nearby], and then they could reassure themselves [and whomever called to report a 'loiterer'] that this man had legitimate reason to be there.
Minnesota law does not require citizens to identify themselves to police unless they are suspected of committing a crime. It seems the police don't care for that law, and I can understand that, [it sucks to feel powerless, especially when you're the police], but they are sworn to enforce the law. Not to arrest citizens for no apparent reason.
Like the situation in Ferguson, it highlights problems too many people want to pretend don't exist: racism continues, and the police too often believe they are above the law.
As problem solving tactics go, denial is counterproductive.

 

[muttly]

I can't say whether the 'skyway atrium' was public, but it was accessible to the public, and such areas are frequently used by the public, without anyone calling the cops on them.
If it is a private area, it wasn't posted, and for that reason [if no other], the cops should have given this man the benefit of the doubt. It would have taken 5 minutes to confirm his story, [the New Horizons Center was nearby], and then they could reassure themselves [and whomever called to report a 'loiterer'] that this man had legitimate reason to be there.
Minnesota law does not require citizens to identify themselves to police unless they are suspected of committing a crime. It seems the police don't care for that law, and I can understand that, [it sucks to feel powerless, especially when you're the police], but they are sworn to enforce the law. Not to arrest citizens for no apparent reason.
Like the situation in Ferguson, it highlights problems too many people want to pretend don't exist: racism continues, and the police too often believe they are above the law.
As problem solving tactics go, denial is counterproductive.

The security guard called the police. The guard told him it was a private area and that he would have to leave the area. He refused to leave. It's irrelevant whether it's posted as private. Lollie or anyone else in the public doesn't deem it to so. It's the business that determines that, and employs a security company to enforce the rules.
It would have taken two seconds to just leave the area. When the police arrived to merely produce an id or give the officer his name. It would have facilitated the whole encounter and more than likely been cleared to go.(officers are trained when arriving at scenes of calls to ascertain the id's of the individuals involved to file their reports ) Yes, it's legally required to give an officer their id, when a suspected law is violated. In the video, Lollie even admitted that he refused to leave the area, at least initially until police were called.(loitering) Again this incident highlights a problem that some holler racism, and too many just buy it hook, line, and sinker.
The police, in this incident, didn't single out Lollie for their racist wrath. They were merely responding to a loitering/ trespassing call . A call that reportedly was initiated by a BLACK security guard.
When must you show ID to police?

 

[cheri1122]

Barkly, even if your version of what went down is correct, [it's a lot of 'he said/she said'], that doesn't change the bottom line: if Chris Lollie were white, no one would have called the cops. One person has already said that he/she sits there often, doesn't work at the bank, and has never been questioned. Pretending that racism doesn't happen is why it continues, and as Ferguson shows, it's not good for anyone.
Maybe you have no problem with being required to identify yourself on command [or face arrest], but many of us do. If the police can't use their discretion wisely, [as they did not in this case], they shouldn't have it. Like issuing a speeding ticket for going 1 mile over the limit for 10 seconds, it's just abuse of discretionary authority, and people will lose whatever respect they have for law enforcement.
Keep denying racism and police abuse of their authority, and it will just get worse, until it's your city up in flames.

 

[muttly]

Barkly, even if your version of what went down is correct, [it's a lot of 'he said/she said'], that doesn't change the bottom line: if Chris Lollie were white, no one would have called the cops. One person has already said that he/she sits there often, doesn't work at the bank, and has never been questioned. Pretending that racism doesn't happen is why it continues, and as Ferguson shows, it's not good for anyone.
Maybe you have no problem with being required to identify yourself on command [or face arrest], but many of us do. If the police can't use their discretion wisely, [as they did not in this case], they shouldn't have it. Like issuing a speeding ticket for going 1 mile over the limit for 10 seconds, it's just abuse of discretionary authority, and people will lose whatever respect they have for law enforcement.
Keep denying racism and police abuse of their authority, and it will just get worse, until it's your city up in flames.

I believe the other individual was known at the bank as someone who worked nearby. They were also black, so your argument doesn't hold any water.
Not saying racism doesn't exist with cops, but let's not exaggerate it, and cry wolf when there isn't any in a particular incident.
It wasn't my version. It was the version in the news story. You keep blaming the police in this incident. They don't get to choose the race of the individual when responding to a call.
Most people don't have a problem by giving an id to police. Just give them your name or id so you can move on. It's a simple thing to do, and required when a suspicion of a law infraction. I would get quite a hoot to see officer Cheri coming back to station and filing a report for the Sarge to read. In your report it would say the individual was accused of loitering, and we asked for his name, but he didn't want to say. So we sent him on his merry way ,whoever the fellow might have been. Sarge would have laughed himself to tears and flung the silly report back at you.

 

[cheri1122]

The cops do get to choose their response, and they could [and I think they should] have allowed Lollie to walk them over to the place where his kids were, as he tried to do when the first officer arrived. There was no need to get in his face, demanding to see his ID. He had every right to refuse, as he explained, with a lot more civility than they showed him.
If most people don't have a problem giving ID upon demand, it's because we live in a police state, not the US created by our Constitution.
The problem with racism and police oppression was encapsulated very well in the poem "First, they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out, because I was not a Socialist."
When they come for you, then you will care.