An open question to owners of unmarked van companies.
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If you can't understand what is unprofessional about it i can't help you.
Purely conjecture.
"Round here we call them republicans.
Don't knock it til you tried it.
I don't recall asking for your help.
I don't see what pride has to do with it. Are you saying you are proud to display the logo of someone else's company? That's ok I guess but the main thing that makes me proud is the big fat deposits I receive from the various carriers my drivers and I toil for. Signs are irrelevant to me. My vans (3) are well kept, very clean and well maintained. I'm also proud of my on time percentage. Signs, not so much.
Brisco
Expert Expediter
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By who's standards??? Have ALL the Expedite Carriers gotten together and made a Unaminous Decision that says Unlettered Vans are Running On the "Down Low"???
Very Doubtful...........Honestly.......This is ones personal OPINION.....that's all. Unless you can come with some sort of FreeMasons Secret Society rule that supports your claim here....then all this is is an Opinion.............
Again.......Another OPINION as to ones belief as to what Professionalism may cover in this discussion. Does that "UNMARKED" Unit a Police Chief drives on a Daily Basis make him an UN-Professional Law Enforcement Officer? What about the CEO of Panther II who I'm quite sure is driving an UNMARKED Company Car (Maybe - Maybe Not) Does this not make him a "Professional" in the Expedite Industry?
As long as the Contractor in that Unmarked Van is Providing PROFESSIONAL Expediting Services up to par with the Carriers Professional Standards........then who really cares whether that Cargo Van is Labeled or Not? Know what I mean.................
By who's standards??? Have ALL the Expedite Carriers gotten together and made a Unaminous Decision that says Unlettered Vans are Running On the "Down Low"???
Very Doubtful...........Honestly.......This is ones personal OPINION.....that's all. Unless you can come with some sort of FreeMasons Secret Society rule that supports your claim here....then all this is is an Opinion.............
Again.......Another OPINION as to ones belief as to what Professionalism may cover in this discussion. Does that "UNMARKED" Unit a Police Chief drives on a Daily Basis make him an UN-Professional Law Enforcement Officer? What about the CEO of Panther II who I'm quite sure is driving an UNMARKED Company Car (Maybe - Maybe Not) Does this not make him a "Professional" in the Expedite Industry?
As long as the Contractor in that Unmarked Van is Providing PROFESSIONAL Expediting Services up to par with the Carriers Professional Standards........then who really cares whether that Cargo Van is Labeled or Not? Know what I mean.................
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Darn skippy.
Actually i am proud to drive for the company i do. I am also happy with my checks.
I can understand many of the arguments people have for not wanting decals. What i don't understand is the owner of a carrier not wanting to put their name on their work which is essentially what it comes down to imho.
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I have been expediting since 2006 with unmarked window vans and have yet to have any shippers or receivers tell me that i am a bad reflection on the expediting industry. Now seeing that when I am traveling between the shipper and receiver and no one would have any idea I was hauling an expedite load how would any of the motoring public have a bad perception of me? I would think a bad reflection on the industry would come from all the vans with the decals slapped on the side. You know, the ones that are all dirty, the ones with a 5000 btu house air conditioner unit hangin out the back window, generators chained to the back bumper, the ones sitting in the front lot of the pilot or flying j with the motor running and smoke belching out the tailpipe. Our how about the drivers that crawl out of their stickered vans that look like they have not changed their clothes for two days or seen a shower for three days. As far as bad reflections on the industry there is a lot more to be concerned about that unmarked vans.
Wow, that's a little harsh! Next thing you know you'll be bashing a driver for rolling into a shipper or consignee with a satellite tv tower on their sprinter!!
Pride of ownership in a carrier and the work your company does.
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Mike99
Veteran Expediter
The only thing I'm proud, is my daughter
. How and why should I be proud of my company or other carrier ? It is just a job man...
The only thing I'm proud, is my daughter
Again as i stated in the op and a few posts ago i am talking about the owners of those companies.
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Do you even know what that word means? Apparently not. Conjecture the formation or expression of an opinion or theory without sufficient evidence for proof. I have plenty of proof, having had to change out magnetic signs once or twice a day for a company I once worked for. It got really old really quick.
Tried it, hence the knocking of it.
You left out straight trucks. It's straight trucks AND cargo vans, running on the "down low". You keep wanting to leave out the straight trucks because that doesn't fit your "not a CMV" reasoning. The term refers to both cargo vans and straight trucks. Have all the expedite carriers gotten together and made a unanimous decision defining the term? I don't think so. They can't even agree on what a "C unit" is. There are at least 4 terms I know of for swapping out a load, but all of them refer to the same thing and all are valid terms. An industry terms doesn't have to be unanimous to be valid.
I'm not claiming or opinionating anything, I'm simply restating the definition of the term that I have heard on multiple occasions over multiple years. Heard it from shippers and receivers, dispatchers, and other drivers. Just because you have never heard it in that context, which isn't really all that surprising, doesn't mean it's not an oft used term.
Nothing like a nice, ripe red herring, I always say. In the context of law enforcement, no, it does not. An umarked or marked police car with dents and rust and a missing headlight and a failed turn signal relay, yes.
No, it does not, considering the context of a company car being executive transportation. It makes him neither professional or unprofessional. Incidentally, Panther II as a company does not even exist. Hasn't for several years, actually.
Many in the general public care, as has already been mentioned. Some shippers, consigness and customers care a great deal. Most are only concerned with on-time pickup and delivery, and not having their freight damaged, but many care about the professionalism on many levels of the drivers and vehicles that haul their freight. First impressions are the lasting impressions, and a vehicle that's clean with professional lettering and a professional-looking driver makes the same exact impression that a dirty, smelly driver wearing flip-flops and a food-stained t-shirt barely covering his massive belly driving an unlettered van with dirt, dust, debris and a buttload of personal items in the cargo area.... a lasting impression.
Thoroughly unprofessional, the whole lot of them!
I guess I think differently. The carriers work for me. I don't work for the carriers. If one isn't getting me what I need I call another one. I am not in the advertising business either. If they would like to pay me for the exposure I might consider signs. I am an independent business man, not an employee or bird dog for anyone.
I stand by magnetic signs.
It all depends on what I'm doing with my van. If I'm going shopping, or to the church, or if it's a Saturday that I have taken off to go fishing, the signs can be stowed away safely.
When I get a run dispatched to me, those signs go on before I start the engine. They don't come off again until I've completed the entire run-- that includes dropping the paperwork at the office, because I do that about 98% of the time at the end of the run. (The other 2%, I've just gone home and will take the paperwork in in the morning.)
About multiple carriers: It's rare for any of us to run for more than three carriers. After that, it just gets to be too many plates in the air for nothing. Many multiple carrier drivers only run for two outfits. It's not that hard to exchange two or, at the most, three sets of signs. Beyond that, yeah, it gets ridiculous-- but running for four or five different carriers is ridiculous to begin with. One is plenty if they're feeding you, two maybe, never more than three.
It all depends on what I'm doing with my van. If I'm going shopping, or to the church, or if it's a Saturday that I have taken off to go fishing, the signs can be stowed away safely.
When I get a run dispatched to me, those signs go on before I start the engine. They don't come off again until I've completed the entire run-- that includes dropping the paperwork at the office, because I do that about 98% of the time at the end of the run. (The other 2%, I've just gone home and will take the paperwork in in the morning.)
About multiple carriers: It's rare for any of us to run for more than three carriers. After that, it just gets to be too many plates in the air for nothing. Many multiple carrier drivers only run for two outfits. It's not that hard to exchange two or, at the most, three sets of signs. Beyond that, yeah, it gets ridiculous-- but running for four or five different carriers is ridiculous to begin with. One is plenty if they're feeding you, two maybe, never more than three.