An Economic and Trucking Slowdown is Happening Now

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
The near-term outlook for the trucking industry is not good and the longer term outlook may be worse. The better months are behind us, not ahead. If you have been a marginial producer in the last year or two, or if you have not increased your net worth in the same period, serious consideration should be given to getting out of expediting.

Excerpts from "The Trucker" magazine, October 15-31, 2007 edition:

Headline: "Weak U.S. economy 'harder' on trucking; downturn forecast to linger through 2008."

"...A number of reports in late September point to an American economy that could pose problems for trucking well into next year - if not longer....

"...reduced demand for freight movements have already affected railroads and air cargo to some extent, and hurt trucking companies more substantially.

"'A weaker U.S. economy has hit the trucking sector harder than other transportation segments. It started n the fourth-quarter 2006 and has continued unabated, causing reduced tonage volumes, increasing costs, and to a lesser degree, pricing pressure' the (Standard & Poor's report) says. 'Both truckload (TL) and less-than-truckload (LTL) companies have been hit, and expected further softening in (economic) growth indicates that a turnaround is unlikely before the second quarter of 2008 at the earlies.'

The article quotes Noel Perry, Schneider National's director for market research. He calls it a "freight recession" and says, "it doesn't take much (economic) slowdown to throw trucking into a freight recession.'"

"In short, it takes quite an upturn in the He said it takes quite an upturn in the modern economy to bring freight levels up. He sets the threshold at 3 percent growth in GDP - and economists predict that threshold won't be reached until the fourth quarter of 2008."

The economic slowdown is not predicted. It is not opinion. It is happening right now and it is fact. The economic indicators say so. It effects are showing up in the trucking industry.

The difference between a slowdown and a recession is a matter of degree. In a slowdown, the economy contunues to grow, but at a slower rate. In a recession, the economy moves backwards (negative growth). GDP does not advance from prior levels, it declines.

A slowdown is hard on the trucking industry. A recession is worse.

History shows that expediting is not immune from the effects of a slowing economy or a recession. If your history is one of a marginal producer, the times are not going to get better any time soon and the economy is not your friend. If you are thinking of getting out of the business, now might be a good time. The pain of getting out now will be less than the pain of getting out later.

The preceeding opinion is presented by Phil "Rose-Colored Glasses" Madsen.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
RE: An Economic and Trucking Slowdown is Happening

What?

Phil you just figured this out.

I see in the future that freight prices will drop more and the serious people with the lower overhead and smaller truck payments will be the survivors out of a real recession, the ones who can still operate with the $1.15 a mile or less all the time.

When there is a recession, there is more competition, more competition will mean cheaper freight.
 

Roadpig

Expert Expediter
RE: An Economic and Trucking Slowdown is Happening

It has been coming for a while now. Texas is practically a ghost town for freight. The south: Florida, Georgia and the Carolinas aren't fareing much better. Every truckstop I've been in has looked like a trucking convention with Panther, All state, Express1, Fedex and Tri State all represented.

Everyone is making the came complaints, there just isn't enough freight out there because production has scaled back (yet again)
 

arkjarhead

Veteran Expediter
RE: An Economic and Trucking Slowdown is Happening

I just don't understand people who expedite out of a 250,000 dollar rv are going to keep their head above water. Them 2,000 dollar and up truck payments will take their toll quick. I guess we'll start seeing more of the smaller rides.
 

TeamCaffee

Administrator
Staff member
Owner/Operator
RE: An Economic and Trucking Slowdown is Happening

I have to disagree. You are not going to see smaller rides you are going to see smarter business owners. What you seem to forget is with the bigger sleepers and the smart business owner is you have to have balance. Most owners of the bigger sleepers usually have their home life under control and very few bills and are usually way ahead of the game. With the bigger sleepers you go home less, you cook in the truck more, you do not get hotel rooms, you cut your living expense greatly. With a team that stays out a long time such as we do you have to have some comfort to keep your sanity and to enjoy our life style. When you are comfortable on the road and have your "apartment" with you, you are comfortable where ever you park which keeps you in service and accepting loads and that affects the bottom line greatly!
 

Jefferson3000

Expert Expediter
RE: An Economic and Trucking Slowdown is Happening

Could be. A lot of that is really decided by what equipment sets you apart from the guy parked next to you. I will be switching out of my "baby C" in the next month or so and into a full "D". Lost too many loads that needed me to be a little taller to make it through the door, much less not having enough floor space.


Drive Safe!

Jeff

Driver for 15 years
O/O for 13 years
OOIDA #829119

[em]"Let us be thankful for the fools. But for them the rest of us could not succeed." --Mark Twain[/em]
 

chetjester

Veteran Expediter
Driver
RE: An Economic and Trucking Slowdown is Happening

Yep. Cheap freight may be the only way to survive. I encourage double and triple dipping (carrying several low paying loads).

I'm fortunate to work for a carrier that sends me right past my house in Texas every week. I never have to take time off. My only time off is the time I spend waiting for the vibration and shrill sound of my cell phone advising me that I'm going to be moving again soon.

I don't have truck payments, just fuel. And, my carrier has paid for this truck, which has a 96" sleeper, full size fridge, microwave/convection oven and, unfortunately, an Onan generator. So you can see the advantage I have over the Expedite RV that spec'd out at $170,000.

If I were ever to leave expediting because of a dearth of freight, and, if I saw that the OTR drivers were struggling, I think I would go back to pulling reefer. No matter what the economy, people will eat. And eat. And then, when they have time, eat some more. So reefer should always be busy. I just hate those food warehouses.

Ok. I've rambled enough. Haven't posted in a while and wanted to see my name in print.

See ya.

"I can sleep after I deliver the load."

Chet Merithew
The Prodigal Son of A. Blair
Truck #81105
OOIDA #828583
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
RE: An Economic and Trucking Slowdown is Happening

Teamcaffee,
I do agree that you will get a lot smarter owners out there but I don't agree that the large apartment on wheels could be the norm for the successful owners. I can do all the same things you mentioned in my sleeper that one can do in the apartment on wheels but my cost is less than the cost of most with the larger trucks - 1/3 in most cases. I have since I owned the truck have not been in a motel or hotel and outside of one issue, I can't see any changes being made for me and a lot of others like me.

With 1/3 less cost right out the door, my advantage is not only the ability to survive in a reduced rate environment short term but also to weather the storm for some time to come, as long as I have no major breakdowns and the truck is still accepted by the carrier.

But again as I have said before, the carrier tied directly to how most of us actually operate our business which will be the determining factor in our survivability.

You all got to keep in mind that the carriers are there to make money for themselves, which is alright and unless there is a publicity blitz, the customers don't care what kind of truck picks up the freight, they just want it moved.
 

TeamCaffee

Administrator
Staff member
Owner/Operator
RE: An Economic and Trucking Slowdown is Happening

greg334

You are a solo driver correct?
 

mrgoodtude

Not a Member
RE: An Economic and Trucking Slowdown is Happening

If your history is one
>of a marginal producer, the times are not going to get
>better any time soon and the economy is not your friend. If
>you are thinking of getting out of the business, now might
>be a good time. The pain of getting out now will be less
>than the pain of getting out later.
>
>The preceeding opinion is presented by Phil "Rose-Colored
>Glasses" Madsen.

Ok Rosey
Define marginal producer...
Is it lack luster acceptance, perhaps a late or is it the inability to
haul precious high dollar cargo?

Mike
 

TeamCaffee

Administrator
Staff member
Owner/Operator
RE: An Economic and Trucking Slowdown is Happening

I can only speak from our point of view but I imagine I will speak for many teams we need a little more room to stay in our comfort zone.

No we don't have the super sleeper and no we do not plan on buying one but we do have a 96" after market sleeper. With both of us driving and having different sleep patterns we really appreciate the extra room. This extra goes a long way to keeping both of us happy which in my thoughts is what keeps us out here so long. We are not the only ones thinking and driving this way. We read more and more about people using camp grounds and doing what makes each team happy and more productive. With both of us working for the same goal in the same job we feel the extra room is worth the cost. I do believe the sleepers will actually get bigger and even more livable as time goes on. As we all say this is not a job this is a life style. Even if a recession is coming on the happier more productive business owner will change with the times and keep thriving.
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
RE: An Economic and Trucking Slowdown is Happening

Teamcaffee's comments about large sleepers are spot on. Greg is not wrong, either, though he does not address the difference between one person living in a truck and two. It's a big difference.

Arkjarhead,

It is important to consider not just the RV aspect of the rig but the truck's money-making potential too. Driver credentials vary, with some able to haul more types of freight than others. Lift gate trucks see freight other trucks will never be offered. Same with reefer trucks. Same with pad-wrap trucks, etc. As Teamcaffee pointed out, the team's ability to stay out and work smart is a major factor.

Money management skills also enter in. Consider two teams with identical trucks and credentials running for the same carrier. One may do very well in a fancy truck and the other may fail. That is not because of external factors like the economy, freight availability, etc. Those factors are the same for both teams. It is because of money management skills. One team may be living within its means and the other not.
 

TeamCaffee

Administrator
Staff member
Owner/Operator
RE: An Economic and Trucking Slowdown is Happening

Ok I know Marginal Producer was not asked of us but still this is our thoughts:

Marginal Producers do not know their bottom line or what it takes to move the truck profitably. They have a attitude that most loads do not pay enough so they sit while others cover that load and make the money. They get themselves into a bad area and then do not leave while still waiting for that perfect load.

We are an Express Truck we do not haul the "high dollar" freight as we made the decision to keep our old dog with us. When a marginal White Glove or Elite driver tries to compare their income is to ours they are usually in for a rude shock and it is not in their favor. We track all expenses everyday, every week, every month, and all year to keep us going in the right direction. You can make a living in all areas of expediting by learning the game and playing smart.

Networking is the key and constantly keep up with all of the changes that happen and if needed change your game plan. We are not going back to the good old days and all we can do is think to the future.
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
RE: An Economic and Trucking Slowdown is Happening

>We are an Express Truck we do not haul the "high dollar"
>freight as we made the decision to keep our old dog with us.
> When a marginal White Glove or Elite driver tries to
>compare their income is to ours they are usually in for a
>rude shock and it is not in their favor. We track all
>expenses everyday, every week, every month, and all year to
>keep us going in the right direction. You can make a living
>in all areas of expediting by learning the game and playing
>smart.

I get the tracking expenses part. I'd love to hear more about your load-acceptance strategy and how you position yourself between loads to optimize your results.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
RE: An Economic and Trucking Slowdown is Happening

Phil,
Actually you are making my point.

To me it don't matter what you have on your truck and whether you are comfortable or not.

What matters is the ability to function in an industry where the rates are going down all the time, the economy is changing and your competition inside and outside of your carrier can take loads under your rock bottom price and still make a profit.

There are all kinds of factors involved with you ability to compete and one of them is your truck payment and that is what I am getting at.

Outside of Fuel, what is the next major cost affiliated directly with your truck? Most likely it will be the payment to the bank for that truck, am I wrong?

It don't matter really if you are a team or are a single driver, these factors apply both ways. I do agree that comfort is a key issue for many who get into this and agree that staying out is also a factor involved in positive revenue generation.

I honestly see this industry turning into a team only industry with a lot of smaller runs. I also see the rates dipping below 1.10 a mile for trucks like mine - team, no team. Just call me a cynic but with more companies getting into this with the changes made at some carriers already here and the doom and gloom report from Phil about the economy turning south, where else would the rates go?

As for the marginal producer thing, hey, I guess I am one of those seeing I didn't make my $150K goal this year.
 

tallcal101

Veteran Expediter
RE: An Economic and Trucking Slowdown is Happening

Gee,is this suppose to be new news,or am I missing something here?Not to be a naysayer,but I believe this freight slow down should not be much of a surprise.It's been going on for 18 months or longer.
It's funny how this thread so quickly went from being about the anticipated freight slump to super sleepers?It's called denial,and it comes in all forms.Wake up folks.
I applaud Phil for his insight and awarness in making us all aware of this important news,as it does not bode well for any segment of trucking(I'm still in trucking don't forget)and we all need to strap in and brace ourselves.I know the van lines are.I fear a perfect storm is brewing and those with paid off credit cards and safe mortgages will make it through the next 18 to 24 months.For many,the forecast is not clear.The advise about getting out sooner rather then later is seconded by myself.I know of at least two wholesale truck brokers who used to give a fair market value for expediters are no longer accepting ANYMORE little trucks.The banks will move quickly on personal guarrentees if you were dumb enough to put your property up to back your loans(as I did).And remeber,the carriers are not your friends when it starts to unravel.
Read between the lines and don't get caught waiting for things to turn around.
 

chetjester

Veteran Expediter
Driver
RE: An Economic and Trucking Slowdown is Happening

So many replies!!! You must all be sitting waiting for loads down here in pseudo ##### - Laredo.

Knowing when to move is when you are in Laredo competing against many many expediters and you are only 7 hours from home. My chances for a load out of Dallas are probably as good as out of Laredo at this time. I should have left last night as soon as I had to hours to go.

2 more hours, and then I'm heading north. Biscuits and gravy, grits with eggs over easy for breakfast for me tomorrow.

Chet Merithew
The Prodigal Son of A. Blair
Truck #81105
OOIDA #828583
 
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