All State Express

[Bruno]

Dave, you have NEVER been in a position to be injured by ASE so what is the problem here? Had you neen leased to, or been a partner carrier with, you MIGHT have a beef of some kind. I tink maybe, your time might be better spent managing your "FLEET" or, something.

x06col

You don't know, my problem is someone saying that I posted BS on here. What I do with my TIME is my business and not yours. So please don't try to tell me what I need to do with my time. Last I check I'm free to say my thoughts. I don't try to tell you to what to do with your time so don't try to tell me what to do with mine. Got it!!!!

 

[bgansman]

Geez...does anyone remember the movie from the 80's...My Bodyguard?

Good stuff...

 

[Bruno]

That rate confirms what I had said previously in this thread. When I see the total rate of freight, it tells me what the margin is to the carrier when I know what the truck pay is.
Just a couple of things. Van rates at the Cat are likely all over the place just like they are for other vehicle sizes some are at .85 plus FSC, some at 77 plus FSC and I hadn't heard the 70. Certainly could be as I don't follow the vans very close.

I do know one thing. Some (no names mentioned) of the larger carriers better wake up. Many are too top heavy, waste resources on trying to reinvent the wheel, pit drivers against each other, or spending a dollar to take a dime from the owner operator. With a driver shortage looming, those sins will be costly for the carriers that participate.
I think we are seeing it impact some carriers already.
The biggest question is, how long will it be before they actually figure it out?

Good post Dave, you see the big picture too. People don't understand that our cost's have went up but our rates are going down because some carriers will drop their rates to get more freight. I have seen some carriers drop their rates but move the amount that they pay their O/O up. The carrier is taking less to keep their owner operators happy. John Elliott from Load1 is one that come to mind. What Expedite company out here pays 70% to their owner operators? Yes Load1 is making less on their side, but how many people have you seen say one bad word about Load1? None that I can think of.

 

[AutonomyRex]

Good post Dave, you see the big picture too. People don't understand that our cost's have went up but our rates are going down because some carriers will drop their rates to get more freight. I have seen some carriers drop their rates but move the amount that they pay their O/O up. The carrier is taking less to keep their owner operators happy. John Elliott from Load1 is one that come to mind. What Expedite company out here pays 70% to their owner operators? Yes Load1 is making less on their side, but how many people have you seen say one bad word about Load1? None that I can think of.

Hi Bruno,

Been reading your posts and am curious....How come you don't have your trucks on with Load-1? Why are you with Panther I guess is my question? You hardly ever mention them, yet always speak of Load One and the owner. Does Panther pay better than Load One, is that why you have your 9 trucks there?

Thx
A-Rex

 

[fastrod]

Hi Bruno,

Been reading your posts and am curious....How come you don't have your trucks on with Load-1? Why are you with Panther I guess is my question? You hardly ever mention them, yet always speak of Load One and the owner. Does Panther pay better than Load One, is that why you have your 9 trucks there?

Thx
A-Rex

That is a very good question, I have been wondering the same thing myself. I am sure we will get an answer shortly.

 

[Bruno]

Hi Bruno,

Been reading your posts and am curious....How come you don't have your trucks on with Load-1? Why are you with Panther I guess is my question? You hardly ever mention them, yet always speak of Load One and the owner. Does Panther pay better than Load One, is that why you have your 9 trucks there?

Thx
A-Rex

Glad you asked that. I'm loyal to the company I'm with. I was with FedEx Custom Critical for almost 14 years and had trucks on with other carriers. I came over to Panther with four trucks of our own and three trucks from another company I started up for a friend. My friends fleet grew to 10 trucks and ours grew to 9 trucks in 18 months. Our plan as we open our new office in Medina, Ohio this week is to get our new office up and running and then add a few trucks to Load1 and more with Panther within the next few months.

We are VERY VERY HAPPY with Panther, but my things is you don't need to have all your eggs in one basket. I would put a truck on with TST if I had a driver that lived in Canada as TST is a GREAT company too.

 

[brycey2010]

WOW, when I started this thread i had no idea it would turn into this So here is my 2 cents, Firstly if someone on here is making $1+ per mile and doing 2000 + miles a week i would be very interested to hear, i have heard average mileage across most of the companies is around 12-1400 a week, if i hear (and i have heard) a company is paying .89 cents a mile for an average of 1500-2800 miles a week, then that's where i want to be based on what i have found so far, simple math really, im new here which is why i am asking questions, however i am not new to the trucking/transport industry, my last job here in the USA i drove an average of 3000 miles a week as a company driver in a semi, I was taking home about $800 a week, if i can not clear at least that expediting in my own equipment, i will find something else to do, i have done the math, if i get the work that i have been told i can get, then all is good, the problem with these forums which is totally understandable, is that the people making a great living want to protect it, so its hard to get a well balanced idea of what can be done without getting out there and finding out for yourself, if there are people out there working hard in their own equipment and making $500 net a week, then they must be doing something wrong, or they are not doing it solely to make a living, or the van expediting business for drivers is seriously flawed. I have made a decision to give it a go, and going by the title of this thread you all know with whom i will be working with.
I would like to thank all the participants in this thread, i have a great deal of respect for all the drivers out there who are working hard and playing it safe, particularly with the onset of winter, i shall look forward to meeting up with you on the road............

 

[AutonomyRex]

Glad you asked that. I'm loyal to the company I'm with. I was with FedEx Custom Critical for almost 14 years and had trucks on with other carriers. I came over to Panther with four trucks of our own and three trucks from another company I started up for a friend. My friends fleet grew to 10 trucks and ours grew to 9 trucks in 18 months. Our plan as we open our new office in Medina, Ohio this week is to get our new office up and running and then add a few trucks to Load1 and more with Panther within the next few months.

We are VERY VERY HAPPY with Panther, but my things is you don't need to have all your eggs in one basket. I would put a truck on with TST if I had a driver that lived in Canada as TST is a GREAT company too.

Hey Bruno,

Thx for answering...I knew it was really none of my business after I sent the post....yet am glad you took the time to answer.
Maybe I should have PM'd instead....

As you expand, if you ever looking for a solo, let me know....as long as you don't micro manage ;-)...Have a good friend, his long term goal is to O/O...he just can't find "his" truck or decide if this niche is for him...
An FYI, he a T/T company Van driver. The U.S. TST yard is 5 miles from his home, at the Detroiter. Load One yard is 4 miles east of him......he has no interest in solo at Panther.

Thx
A-Rex

Maybe this shouldn't be in the ASE thread...my apologies

 

[AutonomyRex]

WOW, when I started this thread i had no idea it would turn into this So here is my 2 cents, Firstly if someone on here is making $1+ per mile and doing 2000 + miles a week i would be very interested to hear, i have heard average mileage across most of the companies is around 12-1400 a week, if i hear (and i have heard) a company is paying .89 cents a mile for an average of 1500-2800 miles a week, then that's where i want to be based on what i have found so far, simple math really, im new here which is why i am asking questions, however i am not new to the trucking/transport industry, my last job here in the USA i drove an average of 3000 miles a week as a company driver in a semi, I was taking home about $800 a week, if i can not clear at least that expediting in my own equipment, i will find something else to do, i have done the math, if i get the work that i have been told i can get, then all is good, the problem with these forums which is totally understandable, is that the people making a great living want to protect it, so its hard to get a well balanced idea of what can be done without getting out there and finding out for yourself, if there are people out there working hard in their own equipment and making $500 net a week, then they must be doing something wrong, or they are not doing it solely to make a living, or the van expediting business for drivers is seriously flawed. I have made a decision to give it a go, and going by the title of this thread you all know with whom i will be working with.
I would like to thank all the participants in this thread, i have a great deal of respect for all the drivers out there who are working hard and playing it safe, particularly with the onset of winter, i shall look forward to meeting up with you on the road............

Bryce...

Read the Load One thread.....the vans/Sprinters seem to be doing pretty good...and they aren't shy about what they make and how much they run. Might be a good read for you as you chose a CV.

FedEx I learned is .85 plus roughly .1233 fsc....read that thread as well.....that is .9733 per mile plus some DH pay as well , mostly it seems to offset fuel cost.

Hope that helps
A-Rex

 

[Bruno]

That is a very good question, I have been wondering the same thing myself. I am sure we will get an answer shortly.

Hey Fastrod how you been. I run teams at Panther for the most part and was putting a truck on with Load1 but the driver wanted to stay with Panther so we didn't at the time. I have been to Load1 office a few times and plan to go again when the time is right. John Elliott is a very nice guy and helped us with Mayfield Express growing. He has helped us with the lease with our new building and has gave us some great advice. If I need help on things I'm not sure of, I have called John and 99.5% of the time he picks up the phone. I called him tonight and John was out trick or treating with his kids and he picked up the phone for me the small fleet owner that doesn't even have one truck leased on with his company. I heard his kids in the background and said I'm sorry John I will just call you tommorrow John, go spend time with your kids.

That is the kind of person John Elliott is. John is a owners CEO and see's the big picture. Andy Clarke is another great CEO and has always taken the time for us and even e-mailed us back on the weekend many times. These are the kind of guys that I like to pick their brains because they didn't get to where there at from being a dummy. now you know.

 

[brycey2010]

Bryce...

Read the Load One thread.....the vans/Sprinters seem to be doing pretty good...and they aren't shy about what they make and how much they run. Might be a good read for you as you chose a CV.

FedEx I learned is .85 plus roughly .1233 fsc....read that thread as well.....that is .9733 per mile plus some DH pay as well , mostly it seems to offset fuel cost.

Hope that helps
A-Rex

Thanks for the info, i have made a decision, need to get out there and get my feet wet, i was going to start this morning i have had to put my start back a week, i have applied to and been accepted with 2 other companies, and will apply to a few more companies, so i have some back-up plans in place, I will make it clear to any company i work with that the bottom line is what i make after expenses at the end of an average month, if its good that will keep me working for them, after all this is a business, there are of course other factors in deciding which company to sign on with, but income is top of the list, i think if i dont go back to the DOD stuff i have been doing, i will end up in a semi again, much more comfortable, and more miles that a CV, however more overheads, i would not really want to be a company driver again, i need more flexibility, but for the time being i want to get out and learn the most profitable, secure way of working as an O/O, being in Florida does not help of course.............

 

[Bruno]

Hey Bruno,

Thx for answering...I knew it was really none of my business after I sent the post....yet am glad you took the time to answer.
Maybe I should have PM'd instead....

As you expand, if you ever looking for a solo, let me know....as long as you don't micro manage ;-)...Have a good friend, his long term goal is to O/O...he just can't find "his" truck or decide if this niche is for him...
An FYI, he a T/T company Van driver. The U.S. TST yard is 5 miles from his home, at the Detroiter. Load One yard is 4 miles east of him......he has no interest in solo at Panther.

Thx
A-Rex

Maybe this shouldn't be in the ASE thread...my apologies

A-Rex

Your fine for asking, why doesn't your friend want to run solo for Panther? I was thinking of putting another tractor or D- unit on with Panther. That would be a great place for a driver that lives by Load1 and TST cross dock. I don't micro manage as I learned that don't work. I would ask our drivers to call me all the time and they hated it. Now I asked for them not call me that much and they called me all the time so I had to hire a fleet manager to deal with drivers. I just want drivers to run the truck like it theirs. I have a few drivers that I have never even met or talked too. My main goal is to keep the trucks loaded.

 

[Bruno]

Thanks for the info, i have made a decision, need to get out there and get my feet wet, i was going to start this morning i have had to put my start back a week, i have applied to and been accepted with 2 other companies, and will apply to a few more companies, so i have some back-up plans in place, I will make it clear to any company i work with that the bottom line is what i make after expenses at the end of an average month, if its good that will keep me working for them, after all this is a business, there are of course other factors in deciding which company to sign on with, but income is top of the list, i think if i dont go back to the DOD stuff i have been doing, i will end up in a semi again, much more comfortable, and more miles that a CV, however more overheads, i would not really want to be a company driver again, i need more flexibility, but for the time being i want to get out and learn the most profitable, secure way of working as an O/O, being in Florida does not help of course.............

Welcome to Expediting Brycey. I had a driver out of Florida driving our d-unit then our tractor and we sometimes deadheaded him up to Atlanta a few times, but for the most part got him out of Florida. He is not driving for us anymore as he got his own tractor now running solo with Panther, he is doing great and I'm happy for him.

 

[brycey2010]

Welcome to Expediting Brycey. I had a driver out of Florida driving our d-unit then our tractor and we sometimes deadheaded him up to Atlanta a few times, but for the most part got him out of Florida. He is not driving for us anymore as he got his own tractor now running solo with Panther, he is doing great and I'm happy for him.

Hello David
Always great to hear about people doing well, its a hard business, but can be very rewarding in many ways, im looking forward to getting out there, gotta keep busy..................

 

[Bruno]

Hello David
Always great to hear about people doing well, its a hard business, but can be very rewarding in many ways, im looking forward to getting out there, gotta keep busy..................

There are people on here that can help you with Expediting. DaveKc is a good one to talk to as he has been in the business longer then me. Dave has helped me on things over the years and is one of the reasons we are at Panther today.

 

[1CHINGON]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Some swear by their company, others attack it like dogs after a 3 legged cat. Pathetic behavior, the latter. You have a company like All State Express cpnducting business as they see fit, and getting bashed for it. Makes no sense whatsoever. What difference does it make how they operate? They drive rates down? Prove your statements with tangible evidence. Spiteful comments against this and any other company is ridiculous. Is this not America? Are the Fleet owners now running the business for the companies they are leased on to? All this whining sounds socialistic. Seems like everyday there is a new post/reply for/against ABC and XYZ. Is life that depressive for you? Quit whining and get to work. Build this country up, one load at a time. If you don't like something, walk away, don't participate, I could care less how good or bad anyone conducts their business based on what I read here on a daily basis. There is not much positive emanating from the jowls of evil, and add meaningless rhetoric from the cheerleader squad.

So a driver in a CV is making this and another driver is making that. So what? If that is what they have found and are happy, so be it. Sometimes the same driver jumps ship and goes to another pasture seeking the green. Good for the smart driver.

And then you have companies paying this and that. Who cares? If they stay in business there is a possibility they may just know how to conduct business, eh?

At the end of the day/week/tear count your pennies, and see if that was enough. If not, make your adjustments or close shop.

The issue I have seen is the inability to make any adjustment whatsoever, and that's when you hear the whining. Some companies come and go, and some O/O's come and go as well. That's business. Learn your business and quit whining, because its rather boring. Or shut up.

My parting thought is about EO. If the whining squad continues to bash the advertisers, and they take their business elsewhere, would EO close shop as well?

And bash me all you want. I could care less. I have a load to PU.

 

[highway star]

Brycey, one thing to keep in mind is that expediting ebbs and flows with the economy in a big way. Freight's strong right now, more so than we've seen in a while. This is traditionally one of the busiest times of the year. You can expect the 1st quarter to slow down. Vans that are gonads to the wall right now will be sitting a lot more in February. Averages that appear high right now will be adjusted in the slower times.

 

[greg334]

With respect to Pareto Efficiency in modern supply chain times, I don't think the Shipper (OEM/Distributor/Etc.), the 3PL, the Carrier, or the Driver are going away. The only PE diagram I have seen is not a pentagon/pentagram, but a quadrilateral...

That Lean thinking and the overly analytical customer is bound to find some chink in the armor somewhere as life goes on...and someone's always bucking for a promotion in Washington...

Did any of us say that any of the components are going away?

The application of Pareto Efficiency seems to be missing some elements when you figure out the volatility of the industry against the ecomony and other external forces like national debt so the use of Bayesian or Nash may be a better fit for this.

I am not trying to trash All State, heard great things about the company but they are, like panther and others, a small player in the big big lake.

Unlike FedEx and Landstar, All State and others seem not to have the ability to hedge a lot against a faltering economy (Panther is an exception) and this should be a worry to everyone who thinks it will continue - IT may not. I feel sorry for those trying to get into the business as much as I feel sorry for those who want to drive but not make an investment in cheap tools. Both of these groups may have a difficult time with the learning curve that is moving.

With what we have today in business climate, the mess and ambiguity in American business has forced behavioral changes to all businesses in one form or another - some subconsciously. Taxes alone have caused some indication of retraction in many markets and this is both confirmed and reflected in consumer spending.

The good times that we are being told is a recovery is no where near a recovery even by 19th century standards and for those companies on the edge or those who are not thinking out of the box, it may be too late for them.

 

[Bruno]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Some swear by their company, others attack it like dogs after a 3 legged cat. Pathetic behavior, the latter. You have a company like All State Express cpnducting business as they see fit, and getting bashed for it. Makes no sense whatsoever. What difference does it make how they operate? They drive rates down? Prove your statements with tangible evidence. Spiteful comments against this and any other company is ridiculous. Is this not America? Are the Fleet owners now running the business for the companies they are leased on to? All this whining sounds socialistic. Seems like everyday there is a new post/reply for/against ABC and XYZ. Is life that depressive for you? Quit whining and get to work. Build this country up, one load at a time. If you don't like something, walk away, don't participate, I could care less how good or bad anyone conducts their business based on what I read here on a daily basis. There is not much positive emanating from the jowls of evil, and add meaningless rhetoric from the cheerleader squad.

So a driver in a CV is making this and another driver is making that. So what? If that is what they have found and are happy, so be it. Sometimes the same driver jumps ship and goes to another pasture seeking the green. Good for the smart driver.

And then you have companies paying this and that. Who cares? If they stay in business there is a possibility they may just know how to conduct business, eh?

At the end of the day/week/tear count your pennies, and see if that was enough. If not, make your adjustments or close shop.

The issue I have seen is the inability to make any adjustment whatsoever, and that's when you hear the whining. Some companies come and go, and some O/O's come and go as well. That's business. Learn your business and quit whining, because its rather boring. Or shut up.

My parting thought is about EO. If the whining squad continues to bash the advertisers, and they take their business elsewhere, would EO close shop as well?

And bash me all you want. I could care less. I have a load to PU.

Looking back on many of your older posts you have been doing your fair share of whining as you call it yourself. Looks like you have never heard of Sylectus, other carriers can see the loads that some carriers post very cheap.

 

[BillChaffey]

This may help to explain why Mr. Bruno has such disregard for All States Express.
July 24, 2010 "At the Expo with my new Company that I'm an outside Agent for. Stop by Load One booth and say hello."