Al?? Eric?? Barack??

[cheri1122]

I understand that some blame Obama for everything, but claiming that he is responsible for "creating racial upheaval and fomenting unrest" is among the most ignorant and plain stupid things I've read/heard, and that's a pretty high bar to clear.
Racial upheaval and unrest would be even worse if Obama and other influential black people wanted it to be that.
Just like the UV honor student, tackled by Alcohol Board Control agents who wanted to "question" him, Obama has done nothing but try to calm people down, and ask us all to discuss the problems with the hope of solving them.
Some people would rather inflame the tension, even look for ways to do it, like posting vids that are meant to incite outrage. Pot calling the kettle black, you know.

 

[Pilgrim]

It doesn't appear that the incidents were racially motivated. The attackers and the the victims just happened to be of different races, but there's no evidence that racism played a part in either crime. The girl's incident apparently spilled over from an incident at school.

Sorry, but there's no mention in the video or the article of the attack being the result of something spilling over from school. The direct quote from the article was "The victim told police she knew the attacker from school"; big difference, especially considering the attacker no longer goes to that same school.

Unless and until we know exactly what motivated the attack, it's utterly retarded to label it racism solely because the attacker is a different race than the victim. Scratch that, it's not utterly retarded, it's utterly racist.

What's utterly retarded is that statement and its complete lack of logic or justification. It's obvious from the video that it is indeed an ATTACK - assault and battery to be exact, upon a white girl and her 5 year old brother by another black teenager and her black accomplices. Not one of them tried to stop it, and the person with the cell phone was obviously excited about recording the assault she knew was about to take place. Are you implying that this crime might somehow have been justified, that the races of the attackers and victims were just random, and that to point out the obvious is racist? Must be a lovely view of the world through one's navel.

With that in mind, here's some more "racism" for you. This teenage female thug has now been charged with multiple criminal offenses involving not only this incident, but also another attack March 14 involving the use of brass knuckles on a victim that was 12 years old.

14-year-old charged with multiple felonies in Brookside Park assault

Girl arrested after video shows graphic fight at Indianapolis park | Fox 59

 

[cheri1122]

What's racist is the assumption that because the parties were different races, that is what motivated the attack.

 

[muttly]

Just like the UV honor student, tackled by Alcohol Board Control agents who wanted to "question" him, Obama has done nothing but try to calm people down, and ask us all to discuss the problems with the hope of solving them.
Some people would rather inflame the tension, even look for ways to do it, like posting vids that are meant to incite outrage. Pot calling the kettle black, you know.

Just like the Indianapolis assault, the VA incident and video has made national news. Using your argument, aren't News outlets also using it to incite outrage ?

 

[muttly]

What's racist is the assumption that because the parties were different races, that is what motivated the attack.

The assumption does happen and can be a two way street.

 

[cheri1122]

Just like the Indianapolis assault, the VA incident and video has made national news. Using your argument, aren't News outlets also using it to incite outrage ?

The news outlets are using it to inform the populace. Those who read the entire story may be outraged at the need for ABC agents to "take to the ground" someone they want to "talk to", but they will also know that the victim is requesting that people respond calmly, and not go off rioting in the streets. Why doesn't that get your attention?

 

[cheri1122]

The assumption does happen and can be a two way street.

My response was directed to this comment, in post #22

What's utterly retarded is that statement and its complete lack of logic or justification. It's obvious from the video that it is indeed an ATTACK - assault and battery to be exact, upon a white girl and her 5 year old brother by another black teenager and her black accomplices. Not one of them tried to stop it, and the person with the cell phone was obviously excited about recording the assault she knew was about to take place. Are you implying that this crime might somehow have been justified, that the races of the attackers and victims were just random, and that to point out the obvious is racist? Must be a lovely view of the world through one's navel.

Because there could be no other possible motive for the attack, right?

 

[aristotle]

My response was directed to this comment, in post #22

What's utterly retarded is that statement and its complete lack of logic or justification. It's obvious from the video that it is indeed an ATTACK - assault and battery to be exact, upon a white girl and her 5 year old brother by another black teenager and her black accomplices. Not one of them tried to stop it, and the person with the cell phone was obviously excited about recording the assault she knew was about to take place. Are you implying that this crime might somehow have been justified, that the races of the attackers and victims were just random, and that to point out the obvious is racist? Must be a lovely view of the world through one's navel.

Because there could be no other possible motive for the attack, right?

It is entirely possible more than one motive is in play.

 

[muttly]

The news outlets are using it to inform the populace. Those who read the entire story may be outraged at the need for ABC agents to "take to the ground" someone they want to "talk to", but they will also know that the victim is requesting that people respond calmly, and not go off rioting in the streets. Why doesn't that get your attention?

That is fine. So news outlets are reporting on a story that could involve police abuse or possibly just a person that was resisting arrest for disorderly conduct and unfortunately hit his head on the ground while being handcuffed.
There is a racial component and assumptions are being made by people.

 

[cheri1122]

That is fine. So news outlets are reporting on a story that could involve police abuse or possibly just a person that was resisting arrest for disorderly conduct and unfortunately hit his head on the ground while being handcuffed.
There is a racial component and assumptions are being made by people.

Now we know you don't know what's going on, because the Va U student incident doesn't allege racism, it's about the aggression of LEOs. They wanted to talk to the student, so they took him to the ground, after which he needed stitches. He wasn't being arrested, or handcuffed, and there was nothing disorderly in his conduct. Until he was injured, at which point I'd be disorderly too, I think. Who wouldn't?
People were outraged over it, and they began protesting, and he asked them to be calm about it.
He is black, the ABC officers are white - but it's not a racist issue, except for those who can see it only in those terms.
It's also not a 'racebaiting' or 'fearmongering' situation, except to those who see it that way, because they want to.
It's an illustration of an ongoing problem we need to address: the increasing aggression of many law enforcement officers, when it's totally uncalled for. But as the student pointed out, we need to talk about it without adding to the violence, and that gets overlooked by those who only see it the way they want to.

 

[Turtle]

Sorry, but there's no mention in the video or the article of the attack being the result of something spilling over from school. The direct quote from the article was "The victim told police she knew the attacker from school"; big difference, especially considering the attacker no longer goes to that same school.

You're right, that it spilled over from school is an assumption that I made, and I shouldn't have made that assumption. But it was made to show the attack was not random and they have a history of some kind, at the very least one that they are acquainted with each other from school. Since they know each other prior to the attack, it's a logical assumption that the attack stemmed from something that happened within their relationship or interactions, rather than it being a blind, random attack.

What's utterly retarded is that statement and its complete lack of logic or justification.

A complete lack of logic? The logic is, we don't know the motivation for the attack, therefore we shouldn't make one up. The justification is pretty simple - if you see racism there without any evidence of racism, and categorize the attack as racism, that's racist.

It's obvious from the video that it is indeed an ATTACK - assault and battery to be exact, upon a white girl and her 5 year old brother by another black teenager and her black accomplices.

It's not obvious at all (a) how old the boy is or (b) that he's her brother. It's also not even all that obvious that the girl who was attacked is even white. No clear shot of her or the attacker as faces are blurred out. She could be a light skinned black, Latino or Asian.

Not one of them tried to stop it, and the person with the cell phone was obviously excited about recording the assault she knew was about to take place.

The fact that none of them tried to stop it (well, except for that tall guy who was restraining the attacker) is hardly unusual. People turn into spectators when fights break out all the time. It's actually more common to stand there and watch than it is go get involved.

Are you implying that this crime might somehow have been justified, that the races of the attackers and victims were just random, and that to point out the obvious is racist? Must be a lovely view of the world through one's navel.

No, I'm implying that you don't know what the motivation was for the attack, and the races of the attacker and victims might have played no roll whatsoever in the attack. There is certainly no evidence of racism in the video report of the accompanying story from Leo's link. Clearly, when viewing the world through your navel, every interaction, argument and crime committed between people of difference races, it the race of the participants and their racism that is the most important motivating factor.

With that in mind, here's some more "racism" for you. This teenage female thug has now been charged with multiple criminal offenses involving not only this incident, but also another attack March 14 involving the use of brass knuckles on a victim that was 12 years old.

14-year-old charged with multiple felonies in Brookside Park assault

Girl arrested after video shows graphic fight at Indianapolis park | Fox 59

Neither one of those links are to articles that mention race, or racism, or the age of the victim of brass knuckles.

 

[Turtle]

It's an illustration of an ongoing problem we need to address: the increasing aggression of many law enforcement officers, when it's totally uncalled for.

Have ya seen this one?

Video: Dallas police open fire on schizophrenic man with screwdriver - CNN.com

In affidavits, statements and press conferences, the Dallas police repeated that they man had violently and in a wild rage charged police officers with a screwdriver, and that, of course, the police officers "feared for their lives." Then, the body cam video got released. Whoops.

As officers began screaming at the mentally ill man, who they knew was mentally ill, it quickly escalated out of control. What could have been a completely peaceful surrender, turned into a violent killing. You can also see from the video, that these officers were equipped with less-lethal tasers, yet still reached for their pistols to fend off a retard standing in the doorway fiddling with a screwdriver.

He was big, tho. And black. So, you know, scary.

 

[muttly]

. The other incident in Indianapolis is still unclear. There was a comment from one of the individuals that mentioned the girls race, but it was ambiguous.

This is what I was referring to from my previous post:

From article:
The victim then fell to the ground, yelling, “What did I do? What did I do?” while the assailant continues to throw punches.

As the victim pleads with her attacker to stop, another young man finally pulls off the attacker and the victim gathers her younger brother to leave the park. But as she leaves the camera person continues to follow, and the girl who originally attacks strikes again.

This time the victim’s younger brother, who appears to be somewhere around 5 or 6, tried to defend his sister by pushing away the attacker. But the attacker then turned her attention to the young boy, striking him and knocking him to the ground.

The group continued to mock the victim as she walked away and shouted an apology to her attackers.

The Indianapolis playground beating may have been racially motivated. The victim and her brother were white and the attackers appeared to be black. As the victim was asking why she was being attacked, one of the boys in the group appeared to answer, “You white, b***h.”


Read more at Indianapolis Playground Beating: Girl And Her Little Brother Brutally Attacked In Park, Video Uploaded To Facebook

 

[muttly]

Now we know you don't know what's going on, because the Va U student incident doesn't allege racism, it's about the aggression of LEOs. They wanted to talk to the student, so they took him to the ground, after which he needed stitches. He wasn't being arrested, or handcuffed, and there was nothing disorderly in his conduct. Until he was injured, at which point I'd be disorderly too, I think. Who wouldn't?
People were outraged over it, and they began protesting, and he asked them to be calm about it.
He is black, the ABC officers are white - but it's not a racist issue, except for those who can see it only in those terms.
It's also not a 'racebaiting' or 'fearmongering' situation, except to those who see it that way, because they want to.
It's an illustration of an ongoing problem we need to address: the increasing aggression of many law enforcement officers, when it's totally uncalled for. But as the student pointed out, we need to talk about it without adding to the violence, and that gets overlooked by those who only see it the way they want to.

Now we know you don't know what's going on, because the incident does involve a racial component and assumptions are being made from people due to the races involved.

U.Va. Students Allege Racism in Charlottesville Arrest

University of Virginia: Bloodied black student Martese Johnson accuses police of racism - Americas - World - The Independent

 

[Pilgrim]

Neither one of those links are to articles that mention race, or racism, or the age of the victim of brass knuckles.

From the article in the second link:

Rev. Charles Harrison with the Ten Point Coalition said he could only watch the video once.
“This is glamorized, this is glorified, this brings them ‘street cred,’ this brings them notoriety, ya know? She’s tough, she’s going to beat somebody up,” said Harrison. “It’s almost like they plan these fights, they want these fights to be on tape where they can put it on social media. This is horrible.”

The Rev. Harrison is talking about one of the common problems of black street culture he and his 10 Point Coalition deals with on a regular basis. The girl and her 5 year old brother were attacked for no other apparent reason than their race.

NUVO Cultural Vision Awards | Ten Point Coalition, Rev. Charles Harrison

Regarding the reference to the 12 year old 2d victim: oops, left out that link. We can't help but wonder about the race of this victim, which would indeed indicate a pattern.

Teen formally charged in Brookside Park attack caught on video - 13 WTHR Indianapolis

 

[Turtle]

Well, there ya go, I do admit that I'm not familiar with the Ten Point Coalition. I'm still not quite sure how 'street cred' vis a vis black street culture is inherently racist, though. Be that as it may, you state the girl and her brother (I'm assuming you mean the little kid) were attacked for "no other apparent reason" than their race. You say that as it their race is, in fact, apparent, yet it's not. It may very well be the entire reason they were attacked, but it's not really apparent at all. She might have been attacked because the attacker didn't like her hair, or because some third party, some other girl, started a false rumor that the victim said something about the attacker. My point is, unless the attacker says, "I attacked her because she's white," when we really don't know what they motive was, and any motive put forth, especially if it's put forth as matter-of-fact, is nothing more than pure speculation and/or wishful thinking.

But setting all that aside, what if it was 100 percent racially motivated? So what? It happens all the time with people of different races, like every day, hundreds of times a day. There's nothing particularly remarkable that Eric, Al or Barak needs to say a word about it, and there's nothing remarkable that they don't. If Eric, Al and Barak made a comment every time something racist happened, they'd be spending an inordinate amount of time here in the EO Soapbox.

 

[cheri1122]

Now we know you don't know what's going on, because the incident does involve a racial component and assumptions are being made from people due to the races involved.

U.Va. Students Allege Racism in Charlottesville Arrest

University of Virginia: Bloodied black student Martese Johnson accuses police of racism - Americas - World - The Independent

The race component wasn't part of the early reports, [except Johnson yelled it while on the ground, when he was shocked] so it's not my misunderstanding, it's a late addition, lol. And I think it's a false one - the ABC agents have been in trouble before, for arresting a woman whose case of "beer" [from a grocery store] turned out to be water - and she was white.
The issue is the LEOs who are in the habit of shooting [and/or arresting] first, asking questions later, and using far more force than need be.
If the students are trying to make it about race, they need to show some evidence, because so far, it seems not to be a factor for the ABC agents. They'll arrest anybody.

 

[muttly]

The race component wasn't part of the early reports, [except Johnson yelled it while on the ground, when he was shocked] so it's not my misunderstanding, it's a late addition, lol. And I think it's a false one - the ABC agents have been in trouble before, for arresting a woman whose case of "beer" [from a grocery store] turned out to be water - and she was white.
The issue is the LEOs who are in the habit of shooting [and/or arresting] first, asking questions later, and using far more force than need be.
If the students are trying to make it about race, they need to show some evidence, because so far, it seems not to be a factor for the ABC agents. They'll arrest anybody.

As I said before, assumptions are being made by people because of the racial makeup of the parties involved. This UVA incident most likely wouldn't be much of a story and doubtful of making national news, but for the racial angle. Arrests are made all the time of intoxicated individuals. Sometimes the handcuffing / subduing of a person becomes aggressive and an injury occurs due to resisting the arrest. Unfortunate, but handcuffing someone who is agitated, intoxicated, and belligerent isn't always easy.

 

[cheri1122]

As I said before, assumptions are being made by people because of the racial makeup of the parties involved. This UVA incident most likely wouldn't be much of a story and doubtful of making national news, but for the racial angle. Arrests are made all the time of intoxicated individuals. Sometimes the handcuffing / subduing of a person becomes aggressive and an injury occurs due to resisting the arrest. Unfortunate, but handcuffing someone who is agitated, intoxicated, and belligerent isn't always easy.

I guess "questioning" someone who is standing up is too hard, as the agents "took him down" before he had a chance to get belligerent. [When I worked on the Trauma Unit at a Level 1 inner city hospital, intoxicated patients were frequent - I know how it can be. Oddly enough, not one of them ever sustained further injury at our hands, though]
The racial aspect was injected after the initial outcry, doubtless because of the many other incidents lately in the news - but it doesn't seem legit here. This is plain old LEO overkill, testosterone out of control, bad policing.

 

[muttly]

I guess "questioning" someone who is standing up is too hard, as the agents "took him down" before he had a chance to get belligerent.

There are also reports he was being placed under arrest. At that point the questioning part was over with. Whether he was belligerent will be be determined by the investigation. While the arrest and injury are important to the story, it is not the issue that is driving it and making national headlines.