AC, CableTV, Xbox: What is Poverty in the U.S. Today?

chefdennis

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Thi is just the beginning of a long article that is full of charts that i wasn't about to bring here...read whats here and then go to the full article and finish reading it and see the charts...nothing more then food for thought...

Air Conditioning, Cable TV, and an Xbox: What is Poverty in the United States Today?

By Robert Rector and Rachel Sheffield
July 19, 2011
What is Poverty in the United States: Air Conditioning, Cable TV and an Xbox


Abstract: For decades, the U.S. Census Bureau has reported that over 30 million Americans were living in “poverty,” but the bureau’s definition of poverty differs widely from that held by most Americans. In fact, other government surveys show that most of the persons whom the government defines as “in poverty” are not poor in any ordinary sense of the term. The overwhelming majority of the poor have air conditioning, cable TV, and a host of other modern amenities. They are well housed, have an adequate and reasonably steady supply of food, and have met their other basic needs, including medical care. Some poor Americans do experience significant hardships, including temporary food shortages or inadequate housing, but these individuals are a minority within the overall poverty population. Poverty remains an issue of serious social concern, but accurate information about that problem is essential in crafting wise public policy. Exaggeration and misinformation about poverty obscure the nature, extent, and causes of real material deprivation, thereby hampering the development of well-targeted, effective programs to reduce the problem.

Each year for the past two decades, the U.S. Census Bureau has reported that over 30 million Americans were living in “poverty.” In recent years, the Census has reported that one in seven Americans are poor. But what does it mean to be “poor” in America? How poor are America’s poor?

For most Americans, the word “poverty” suggests destitution: an inability to provide a family with nutritious food, clothing, and reasonable shelter. For example, the Poverty Pulse poll taken by the Catholic Campaign for Human Development asked the general public: “How would you describe being poor in the U.S.?” The overwhelming majority of responses focused on homelessness, hunger or not being able to eat properly, and not being able to meet basic needs.[1] That perception is bolstered by news stories about poverty that routinely feature homelessness and hunger.

Yet if poverty means lacking nutritious food, adequate warm housing, and clothing for a family, relatively few of the more than 30 million people identified as being “in poverty” by the Census Bureau could be characterized as poor.[2] While material hardship definitely exists in the United States, it is restricted in scope and severity. The average poor person, as defined by the government, has a living standard far higher than the public imagines.

As scholar James Q. Wilson has stated, “The poorest Americans today live a better life than all but the richest persons a hundred years ago.”[3] In 2005, the typical household defined as poor by the government had a car and air conditioning. For entertainment, the household had two color televisions, cable or satellite TV, a DVD player, and a VCR. If there were children, especially boys, in the home, the family had a game system, such as an Xbox or a PlayStation.[4] In the kitchen, the household had a refrigerator, an oven and stove, and a microwave. Other household conveniences included a clothes washer, clothes dryer, ceiling fans, a cordless phone, and a coffee maker.

The home of the typical poor family was not overcrowded and was in good repair. In fact, the typical poor American had more living space than the average European. The typical poor American family was also able to obtain medical care when needed. By its own report, the typical family was not hungry and had sufficient funds during the past year to meet all essential needs.

Poor families certainly struggle to make ends meet, but in most cases, they are struggling to pay for air conditioning and the cable TV bill as well as to put food on the table. Their living standards are far different from the images of dire deprivation promoted by activists and the mainstream media.

Regrettably, annual Census reports not only exaggerate current poverty, but also suggest that the number of poor persons[5] and their living conditions have remained virtually unchanged for four decades or more. In reality, the living conditions of poor Americans have shown significant improvement over time.

Consumer items that were luxuries or significant purchases for the middle class a few decades ago have become commonplace in poor households. In part, this is caused by a normal downward trend in price following the introduction of a new product. Initially, new products tend to be expensive and available only to the affluent. Over time, prices fall sharply, and the product saturates the entire population, including poor households.

As a rule of thumb, poor households tend to obtain modern conveniences about a dozen years after the middle class. Today, most poor families have conveniences that were unaffordable to the middle class not too long ago.

Poverty: A Range of Living Conditions

However, there is a range of living conditions within the poverty population. The average poor family does not represent every poor family. Although most poor families are well housed, a small minority are homeless.

Fortunately, the number of homeless Americans has not increased during the current recession.[6] Although most poor families are well fed and have a fairly stable food supply, a sizeable minority experiences temporary restraints in food supply at various times during the year. The number of families experiencing such temporary food shortages has increased somewhat during the current economic downturn.

Of course, to the families experiencing these problems, their comparative infrequency is irrelevant. To a family that has lost its home and is living in a homeless shelter, the fact that only 0.5 percent of families shared this experience in 2009 is no comfort. The distress and fear for the future that the family experiences are real and devastating. Public policy must deal with that distress. However, accurate information about the extent and severity of social problems is imperative for the development of effective public policy.

In discussions about poverty, however, misunderstanding and exaggeration are commonplace. Over the long term, exaggeration has the potential to promote a substantial misallocation of limited resources for a government that is facing massive future deficits. In addition, exaggeration and misinformation obscure the nature, extent, and causes of real material deprivation, thereby hampering the development of well-targeted, effective programs to reduce the problem. Poverty is an issue of serious social concern, and accurate information about that problem is always essential in crafting public policy.

Living Conditions of the Poor

Each year, the U.S. Census Bureau releases its annual report on income and poverty.[7] This report, though widely publicized by the press, provides only a bare count of the number of Americans who are allegedly poor. It provides no data on or description of their actual living conditions.

This does not mean that such information is not available. The federal government conducts several other surveys that provide detailed information on the living conditions of the poor. These surveys provide a very different sense of American poverty.[8] They reveal that the actual standard of living among America’s poor is far higher than the public imagines and that, in fact, most of the persons whom the government defines as “in poverty” are not poor in any ordinary sense of the term. Regrettably, these detailed surveys are almost never reported in the mainstream press.

One of the most interesting surveys that measures actual living conditions is the Residential Energy Consumption Survey (RECS),[9] which the Department of Energy has conducted regularly since 1980.[10] The RECS survey measures energy consumption and ownership of various conveniences by U.S. households. It also provides information on households at different income levels, including poor households.

The first half of this paper uses RECS data to analyze and describe one aspect of the living standards of the poor: ownership and availability of household amenities.[11] The second half provides a broader description of the living standards of America’s poor.

Availability of Amenities in Poor Households

This section uses RECS data from 2005, the most recent year for which data are available, to analyze the amenities typically found in poor households.[12] The 2005 RECS data represent the living conditions of the poor before the current recession. Conditions are likely quite similar today.

Because the current recession has increased the number of poor persons in the U.S. since 2005, it might seem likely that poor households would have fewer amenities and conveniences today than in 2005. However, the increase in poverty during the recession is, to a considerable degree, the result of working-class families losing employment. One would not expect these families to dispose of their normal household conveniences in those circumstances. Thus, paradoxically, the increase in the number of working- and middle-class families who have become temporarily poor is likely to increase slightly the share of poor households that own various items. When the present recession ends, the living conditions of the poor are likely to continue to improve as they have in the past.

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clcooper

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so the poor cant go to yard sales . the poor cant get gifts for chirstmas or brithdays . or get a hand me downs from their neighbors .
 

layoutshooter

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Birthday and Christmas presents are NOT needed for life. They are, in fact, a luxury. One should always provide for the needed things in life first. One can die of starvation. NO ONE has ever died from not getting a birthday present.

One should NOT be allowed to purchase luxury items with their EBT card like I see happen all the time. Like cookies, potato chips, cupcakes, frozen pizza, so on and so forth. BASICS only when on public assistance.

If someone is on public assistance and has cable, the amount that they pay for cable should be deducted from their checks. Cable is a luxury. Luxuries should be paid for ONLY with money that people EARN, not tax dollars.
 

clcooper

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Birthday and Christmas presents are NOT needed for life. They are, in fact, a luxury. One should always provide for the needed things in life first. One can die of starvation. NO ONE has ever died from not getting a birthday present.

One should NOT be allowed to purchase luxury items with their EBT card like I see happen all the time. Like cookies, potato chips, cupcakes, frozen pizza, so on and so forth. BASICS only when on public assistance.

If someone is on public assistance and has cable, the amount that they pay for cable should be deducted from their checks. Cable is a luxury. Luxuries should be paid for ONLY with money that people EARN, not tax dollars.

so grand ma cant give her poor grand son a brithday gift because it is not a need for life .

now you want to tell people what they should eat . where is chefdennis with his post about schools telling the studants what to eat .

are we in the stone ages where the poor kids should only play with stickes and stones . and poor people sit at the cave entrance and watch t rex swim in the tar pit .

what are the basics of today in the US. in the US NOT in afracia. mexico, china . in the US and TODAY not 1930 , not 1850, not 1970 . today 2011
 

paullud

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This is what I find aggravating about people that lose their jobs whining that that they can't take a lower paying job and are entitled to live off of other people. If you have any value in the work place you will get a better paying job when things turn around, if you don't then you were overpaid in your previous job and it is likely the reason you lost your job anyway. Americans need to drop the employee or sheeple mindset and realize that you are always self employed and need to sell your value and skills to a company to keep a job. If the only job you can get is one that pays $8/hr it's because that is what you are worth and if you want more you need to find a way to increase your value. If more people acted this way we could increase our income and get better benefits because we are forcing companies to prove themselves to us.

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layoutshooter

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so grand ma cant give her poor grand son a brithday gift because it is not a need for life .

now you want to tell people what they should eat . where is chefdennis with his post about schools telling the studants what to eat .

are we in the stone ages where the poor kids should only play with stickes and stones . and poor people sit at the cave entrance and watch t rex swim in the tar pit .

what are the basics of today in the US. in the US NOT in afracia. mexico, china . in the US and TODAY not 1930 , not 1850, not 1970 . today 2011


I think you are totally missing the point. The basics today are EXACTLY what they were in 1850 and 1970. Proper food, clean water, proper clothing and a roof over your head. Cookies are NOT needed for life. IF you can afford them, fine. Can't afford them?

Grand ma can buy the gifts if she wants. Along as she does NOT use welfare money.

Somewhere along the line many have forgotten one, very simple fact. EVERY penny of welfare money was earned by someone else, then taken from them, under the threat of force.
 

paullud

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I think you are totally missing the point. The basics today are EXACTLY what they were in 1850 and 1970. Proper food, clean water, proper clothing and a roof over your head. Cookies are NOT needed for life. IF you can afford them, fine. Can't afford them?

Grand ma can buy the gifts if she wants. Along as she does NOT use welfare money.

Somewhere along the line many have forgotten one, very simple fact. EVERY penny of welfare money was earned by someone else, then taken from them, under the threat of force.

There are just to many greedy and entitlement minded people in the US today that feel they should have luxuries.

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Ragman

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There are just to many greedy and entitlement minded people in the US today that feel they should have luxuries.

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Greed is good.

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clcooper

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This is what I find aggravating about people that lose their jobs whining that that they can't take a lower paying job and are entitled to live off of other people. If you have any value in the work place you will get a better paying job when things turn around, if you don't then you were overpaid in your previous job and it is likely the reason you lost your job anyway. Americans need to drop the employee or sheeple mindset and realize that you are always self employed and need to sell your value and skills to a company to keep a job. If the only job you can get is one that pays $8/hr it's because that is what you are worth and if you want more you need to find a way to increase your value. If more people acted this way we could increase our income and get better benefits because we are forcing companies to prove themselves to us.

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what i find aggravating about people is they whine when dispatch calls them up with a load offer that is low and the drivers turn it down because it was to low

yep that is the way companies work today (wake up ). and what you are saying isnt that collective bargianing .

your last sentance do you even know what it says .

working hard . haveing skills should pay better . but today it doesnt . when are a few of you going to wake up and understand that .

and not every industry is like the trucking industry . . a trucking company on every corner .
 

layoutshooter

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Is wanting to keep what I earn GREED? I don't think so. Why is it that SO many think that they are entitled to MY wages?
 

clcooper

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I think you are totally missing the point. The basics today are EXACTLY what they were in 1850 and 1970. Proper food, clean water, proper clothing and a roof over your head. Cookies are NOT needed for life. IF you can afford them, fine. Can't afford them?

Grand ma can buy the gifts if she wants. Along as she does NOT use welfare money.

Somewhere along the line many have forgotten one, very simple fact. EVERY penny of welfare money was earned by someone else, then taken from them, under the threat of force.

and what is proper today . so the poor today should wear deer skins clothing like the did in 1850 and should just go out in to a wooded area and make a log house like they did in 1850 .


I think you are totally missing the point. what i mean about the gifts .
so if a kid has a xbox he got from grand ma . does that mean he should be taken off of welfare . because a neighbor gave them a A/C should their welfare stop . because they go to yard sales to buy their cloths should their welfare be stopped

so only the rich should be able to eat cookies . the rich should just pay the government to pass a law that for a person to be able to eat a cookie they need to make over 200,000 a year . if people cant make that much they can not eat cookies
 

layoutshooter

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and what is proper today . so the poor today should wear deer skins clothing like the did in 1850 and should just go out in to a wooded area and make a log house like they did in 1850 .


I think you are totally missing the point. what i mean about the gifts .
so if a kid has a xbox he got from grand ma . does that mean he should be taken off of welfare . because a neighbor gave them a A/C should their welfare stop . because they go to yard sales to buy their cloths should their welfare be stopped

so only the rich should be able to eat cookies . the rich should just pay the government to pass a law that for a person to be able to eat a cookie they need to make over 200,000 a year . if people cant make that much they can not eat cookies

NO laws need to be passed. You buy what you can afford with YOUR money that YOU earn. IF you (not you in particular, generic you) are on welfare, you don't get cookies. Those are NOT needed for life. those are LUXURIES!

Clothing is EASY to get for cheap. Go to the Goodwill. We have, many times. One can get what they need for next to nothing there. Good jeans for $2. My wife bought her entire "business" clothing needs at the Goodwill when she went into real estate. That way she could put more of what she earned into advertising. Did real good at those stores too. Yard sales is a GOOD place to buy clothes. The malls are NOT.

A/C uses a LOT of electricity. They can be given one, no problem. How can they afford to pay for the "juice"? Again, unless there is a medical condition that REQUIRES one to have A/C. It is NOT needed for life, therefore, it IS a luxury.

As I said, I pay a MINIMUM of 40% in taxes. I think that is FAR too much. It stops me from expanding my business and creating a few jobs. It stops me from buying the things that I want in life. That is WRONG.

Gifts are FINE. Using tax payers money, in other words, other peoples wages. to buy an XBox SHOULD be a criminal offense.
 

clcooper

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NO laws need to be passed. You buy what you can afford with YOUR money that YOU earn. IF you (not you in particular, generic you) are on welfare, you don't get cookies. Those are NOT needed for life. those are LUXURIES!

Clothing is EASY to get for cheap. Go to the Goodwill. We have, many times. One can get what they need for next to nothing there. Good jeans for $2. My wife bought her entire "business" clothing needs at the Goodwill when she went into real estate. That way she could put more of what she earned into advertising. Did real good at those stores too. Yard sales is a GOOD place to buy clothes. The malls are NOT.

A/C uses a LOT of electricity. They can be given one, no problem. How can they afford to pay for the "juice"? Again, unless there is a medical condition that REQUIRES one to have A/C. It is NOT needed for life, therefore, it IS a luxury.

As I said, I pay a MINIMUM of 40% in taxes. I think that is FAR too much. It stops me from expanding my business and creating a few jobs. It stops me from buying the things that I want in life. That is WRONG.

Gifts are FINE. Using tax payers money, in other words, other peoples wages. to buy an XBox SHOULD be a criminal offense.

all i am going to say about cookies . LUXURIES . who decide what is and what isnt . and remember who had the LUXURIES when slaves was legal


so it is ok your wife used a program set up to help the poor so she could put more into her advertising .

i agree the taxes are to high . to many on welfare are lazy . but also there is not enough work today for everybody . .

i understand the way you used you too . i do the same thing . i am unempolyed and i see things from this side . i see the lazy people on unemployment also . but most are not lazy . and i see that and i see why they arent getting the jobs . the jobs are not there . is why . not that they are all lazy .and the same way with welfare . .

if i got a product and ask 5 $ for it . and joe has the same product but he asks .10$ for it who are you going to buy from .

today we are being forced to buy from joe
 

layoutshooter

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What program are you talking about? Goodwill? That is NOT a government program, it is a PRIVATE charity. People shopping there provide JOBS for many who cannot find them. When people use that type of store it is a win win for everyone involved.

Do you understand the idea of a basic food need and a "luxury" item? It seems, I could be wrong, that you do not.

It used to tork me off to NO END when I worked at the agency. I would go to the store, buy cheap hamburger and we had to make a pound of that provide 2 meals for 4 people. Then watch the welfare ranger in front of us use "food stamps" to buy steaks. That is NOT RIGHT!

I have been unemployed MANY times. There was one 3 year stretch when I was laid off for 18 months. The FIRST time I got laid off was the SAME DAY my wife found out she was expecting our first son. Don't tell me I "don't understand"
 

paullud

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What program are you talking about? Goodwill? That is NOT a government program, it is a PRIVATE charity. People shopping there provide JOBS for many who cannot find them. When people use that type of store it is a win win for everyone involved.

Do you understand the idea of a basic food need and a "luxury" item? It seems, I could be wrong, that you do not.

It used to tork me off to NO END when I worked at the agency. I would go to the store, buy cheap hamburger and we had to make a pound of that provide 2 meals for 4 people. Then watch the welfare ranger in front of us use "food stamps" to buy steaks. That is NOT RIGHT!

I have been unemployed MANY times. There was one 3 year stretch when I was laid off for 18 months. The FIRST time I got laid off was the SAME DAY my wife found out she was expecting our first son. Don't tell me I "don't understand"

But but but...Your not allowed to make it on your own when you have trouble, the government says you can't. :rolleyes:

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layoutshooter

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If you CAN make on your own you are a threat to their power. That is why they keep pumping out the "programs". Makes it easier to control people if they are supported by the kind government.
 

paullud

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If you CAN make on your own you are a threat to their power. That is why they keep pumping out the "programs". Makes it easier to control people if they are supported by the kind government.

They love to play the part of Robinhood or a super hero. I don't have a problem with using some of the programs as they were intended but the government wants to force as many as it can to be under their thumb.

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clcooper

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What program are you talking about? Goodwill? That is NOT a government program, it is a PRIVATE charity. People shopping there provide JOBS for many who cannot find them. When people use that type of store it is a win win for everyone involved.

Do you understand the idea of a basic food need and a "luxury" item? It seems, I could be wrong, that you do not.

It used to tork me off to NO END when I worked at the agency. I would go to the store, buy cheap hamburger and we had to make a pound of that provide 2 meals for 4 people. Then watch the welfare ranger in front of us use "food stamps" to buy steaks. That is NOT RIGHT!

I have been unemployed MANY times. There was one 3 year stretch when I was laid off for 18 months. The FIRST time I got laid off was the SAME DAY my wife found out she was expecting our first son. Don't tell me I "don't understand"

so shopping at walmart doesnt provide jobs either . GOODWILL was set up to help the poor the out of work . so if somebody with a job or with a good income going to the goodwill is no better then the welfare buying cookies

yes i do and cookies are a basic food . look and see what cookies are made out of . . or is basic food tree bark ,grass . bugs . road kill

yep the poor should only eat bread and water

and you never eat steaks during that time . a pound of hamdurger is not hard to make 2 meals out of for 4 people . i do it all the time . i hate steaks so let them eat the steaks .

yep and time has stood still since that time to also . nothing has changed . we have the same computers now as back then and the eqiupment as back then too . and i bet you did get any type of benfits because you were unemployed and had a baby on the way

you worked for the government and had to make a pound of hamburger last 2 meals . sounds like you were no differant then as the people you ***** about today . you werent living with in your means either

so a person you saw buying the steaks . did you see what they bought every week . or should it be no matter what when on welfare the eat bugs and road kill no matter what . they cant save up for a good steak once in awhile . or anything else that they may enjoy . and only the rich are aloud to enjoy life
 
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