About This Birth Certificate....

[Letzboogie]

It seems to me that without definitive proof of his birthplace/citizenship, he would never have gotten as far as he has, as noted in the above post. Somewhere along the way it only makes sense that the proper credentials have been presented. Doesn't matter anyway, his term is more than half over now and come 2012, Daniel "Dee" Snider, b. Astoria, NY 1955, will be our next President.

"Bruises fade and bones will mend-but a psyche can be ruined FOREVER" : LisaLouHoo, c. 2008

Excellent! His campaign slogan could be "We're not gonna take it anymore"

 

[Pilgrim]

I've been reading these posts about this birth certificate. So let me ask a simple question. When I was a kid to get in school I needed a birth certificate, As a teenager I needed a social security card to get a job. to get a social security card I had to have a birth certificate,once I got the job I needed a drivers license, to get that I needed a birth certificate. When I got married I needed a birth certificate to get the marriage license. When doing my taxes to claim Dependants I had to have social security numbers of Dependants which require birth certificates. Now I was never in the military,so i don't know if they require a birth certificate or not.So I guess my question is to become president you don't have to have a birth certificate?

The only Obama birth certificate that's seen the light of day to date is the one in this link:

Birth certificate obama image by Diskopickle on Photobucket

Try getting a passport, security clearance, or even a CDL with something like that. If your name isn't Obama, you'll be told to come back with official long form documentation with the proper seal issued from the capital of your state of birth.

The problem so many people have is that a politician's life is pretty much an open book - so what's the big deal? Obama could make this all go away by just producing the actual long form certificate instead of all the wacky excuses. Of course the mainstream media gives him a pass, and many just blow it off as no bid deal. But when you get somebody with Donald Trump's resources going after the thing, it's likely there are a few beads of sweat forming in some of the Democrat back rooms in Washington.

 

[EASYTRADER]

When I said it has been this way for thousands of years I wasn't being fascitious. It actually has.

At least as far back as Rome anyway. As for international law today children are considered citizcens of the country of their parents not their birth. In the case of split citicenship parents it is possible in some countries to be dual citizen. The United States does not allow this. When a persn becomes naturalised they are supposed by US law to give up their prior countries citizenship. Most people don't especially Canadians and Britts. But they are breaking US Law.

Anyway, Barry Soetorro is not a "natural born" citicen in the sense that is meant in the constitution. He is "Naturalised". I'm sorry that so many people think it is better that they get their way than that the law be followed. It makes me weep for the country.

Their are plenty of socialist wackos in the Democrat party that ARE natural citicens, and if te Dems were honest they would have picked one to run.

The whole thing is just sad.

PS - nobody accused Clinton of not being a Natural Born citizen or any other democrat Pres for that matter. Maybe then it isn't just partisan bickering maybe there is a higher principle involved here.

 

[AMonger]

When I said it has been this way for thousands of years I wasn't being fascitious. (sic) It actually has.

At least as far back as Rome anyway. As for international law today children are considered citizcens (sic) of the country of their parents not their birth.

That's how it should be, but that's not how it is in the US. Hasn't been that way since shortly after the War To Prevent Southern Independence. To make sure that former slaves were considered citizens, the 14th amendment was passed in 1868. The relevant portion reads:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

In the case of split citicenship (sic) parents it is possible in some countries to be dual citizen. The United States does not allow this.

This used to be the case. It is no longer so. I don't remember when the US started recognizing dual citizenship, but it wasn't that long ago. Here are some relevant portions of a wiki article found at Multiple citizenship - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. The article has citations at the bottom that can verify this.

A 2007 US study confirmed the negative effect of dual citizenship in the United States on assimilation and political connectedness for first generation Latino immigrants finding that dual nationals are:

• 32% less likely to be fluent in English;
• 18% less likely to identify as "American";
• 19% less likely to consider the U.S.A. as their homeland;
• 18% less likely to express high levels of civic duty;
• 9% less likely to register to vote; and
• 15% less likely to have ever voted in a national election.[20]

Concern over the effect of multiple citizenship on national cohesiveness is generally more acute in the United States. The reason for this is twofold:

• The United States is a "civic" nation and not an "ethnic" nation. American citizenship is not based on belonging to a particular ethnicity, but on political loyalty to American democracy and values. Regimes based on ethnicity - which support the doctrine of perpetual allegiance as one is always a member of the ethnic nation - are not concerned with assimilating non-ethnics since they can never become true citizens. In contrast, the essence of a civic nation makes it imperative that immigrants assimilate into the greater whole as there is not an "ethnic" cohesiveness uniting the populace.[21]

• The United States is an immigrant nation. The US has prospered due to its generous immigration policy of taking in and absorbing a very diverse stock of immigrants. As US immigration is primarily directed at family reunification and/or refugee status rather than education and job skills, the pool of candidates tends to be poorer, less educated,[22] and consistently from less stable countries (either non-democracies or fragile ones) with less familiarity or understanding of American values, making their assimilation more difficult and important.[23]

Dual citizenship is associated with two categories of security concerns in the United States: foreign influence and foreign preference. Contrary to common misconceptions, dual citizenship in itself is not the major problem in obtaining or retaining security clearance in the United States. As a matter of fact, if a security clearance applicant's dual citizenship is "based solely on parents' citizenship or birth in a foreign country", that can be a mitigating condition.[25] However, exercising (taking advantage of the entitlements of) a non-U.S. citizenship can cause problems. For example, possession and/or use of a foreign passport is a condition disqualifying from security clearance and "... is not mitigated by reasons of personal convenience, safety, requirements of foreign law, or the identity of the foreign country" as is explicitly clarified in a Department of Defense policy memorandum which defines a guideline requiring that "... any clearance be denied or revoked unless the applicant surrenders the foreign passport or obtains official permission for its use from the appropriate agency of the United States Government".[26] This guideline has been followed in administrative rulings by the United States Department of Defense (DoD) Defense Office of Hearings and AppealsIndustrial Security Clearance Review (ISCR), which decides cases involving security clearances for Contractor personnel doing classified work for all DoD components. In one such case, an administrative judge ruled that it is not clearly consistent with U.S. national interest to grant a request for a security clearance to an applicant who was a dual national of the U.S. and Ireland.[27] (DOHA) office of
This perception of dual loyalty can apply even when the job in question does not require security clearance. In the United States, dual citizenship is not very common among politicians or government employees; however, it does occur. For example, Arnold Schwarzenegger has retained his Austrian citizenship during his service as a Governor of California.[28] In 1999, the U.S. Attorney General's office issued an official opinion that a statutory provision that required the Justice Department to employ only "citizen of the United States"[29] did not bar it from employing dual citizens.

So you see, not only does the US recognize dual citizenship, persons with dual citizenship can even hold political office and have a security clearance.

I had a Top Secret clearance, and during my enlistment, I received a rip through distribution that said I couldn't re-enlist because I hadn't yet obtained US citizenship. Having been born in the US and having always been a US citizen, I was on the phone immediately getting that resolved. When I had them on the phone, I asked them where they thought I was from, and they said Saudi Arabia. It was apparently a keystroke error and was fixed, but there I was, for all they knew, a Saudi, having a Top Secret security clearance.