A Way to Log Legal vs New HOS Rules

jernation · Oct 26, 2005

My wife and I have developed a way to Log Legal shifts of 5 hrs to allows us to run long distance and still be legal.

It goes like this:

1st Shift = 5 Hrs. 1st driver logs both drive time and on duty not driving time to a total of 5 Hrs.

At end of 5 hrs, second driver takes over and logs a total of 4.5 hrs time, either driving or on duty not driving. This is the 2nd shift.

3rd shift, driver # 1 comes back and logs 4.5 hrs of either driving or on duty not driving time. This completes driver #1's 14 hr clock. They then go into the sleeper.

4th shift, driver #2 comes back and logs 5 hrs. of either driving or on duty not driving time. This completes driver #2's 14 hr clock. They go into the sleeper.

The truck is now shut down for a total of 3 hrs.

This allows driver #1 to complete their 8 hrs off. (5 hrs during shift 4 & 3 while the truck is shut down)

Driver #1 then starts a new day driving 5 hrs, while driver #2 sleeps 5 hrs, thus completing their 8 hrs sleeper time. (3 hrs while truck is shut down, and 5 while driver #1 is driving 1st shift of 2nd day)

Over all this gives a day of 22 hours, of which 19 hours is used to drive/on duty not driving time.

This works, is legal, and has been tested. The only sore point is getting your company to recognize that you need to shut down the truck for 3 hours to be legal.

Comments / suggestions appreciated.

Jernation

davekc · Oct 26, 2005

Jernation wrote;
his works, is legal, and has been tested. The only sore point is getting your company to recognize that you need to shut down the truck for 3 hours to be legal.

Comments / suggestions appreciated
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You last line is indeed the biggest problem facing expediters. Most companies aren't in a position to provide a 3 hour shutdown when others are still running 24/7. After all, it is emergency freight. There could be some instances where it could be adapted, but under normal circumstances, it would be too dificult. In our own situation, most loads are beyond 24 hours, thus we couldn't do it.

Davekc
owner
21 years

terryandrene · Oct 26, 2005

I suspect that any of the major carriers would be more than ready to add three hours to an ETA if too many older teams find the 10 hour duty periods too fatigueing to continue in the biz.

jernation deserves kudos for developing a means to git-er-done in lieu of groaning about the requirements of the HOS regulations.

davekc · Oct 27, 2005

Terry wrote

suspect that any of the major carriers would be more than ready to add three hours to an ETA if too many older teams find the 10 hour duty periods too fatigueing to continue in the biz.
jernation deserves kudos for developing a means to git-er-done in lieu of groaning about the requirements of the HOS regulations
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I would like to see that happen, but competitive forces between carriers and freight doesn't make that a reality.

It is the same principle of supply and demand that keeps rates at 1980 levels.

If they can't agree on rates, I don't find it likely that any kind of agreement can be reached between carriers with regards to hours.

I agree, I would love to see his plan utilized, but current climate won't allow it except in certain applications.

I hate to sound negative, but I am also a realistic. When they run out of trucks, only then will you see some movement in these areas.

Davekc
owner
21 years