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LDB

LDB

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Retired Expediter
Substance abuse is a choice whereas mental illness is not. That should have some bearing on financial decisions. In some cases there may be reason to blame an abusive family member for a portion of the problem. There's likely never a situation where an entire family can be blamed. To make a blanket condemnation is just wrong.
 
skyraider

skyraider

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US Navy
Someday , in the future maybe, we will stop killing each other in the malls, the theater,the grocery stores, the schools, the barbershops,the fast food chains,the highways,in our homes, and so forth. Maybe, though, just maybe we should start looking out for one another and not be walking around with blinders . Probably sounds too simplistic, but look and see who is walking around you and appears unusual, yes its not realistic, but 20 kids are dead and the adults. How do we keep from killing each other, I have not a clue!

Gettysburg Soundtrack: Main Title - YouTube we did this to ourselves once, we need to see what we are doing now.......
 
Pilgrim

Pilgrim

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What's even more disgraceful is that most of the initial media reports are false or inaccurate. They aren't concerned with facts - all they want is shock value and the "scoop" on their competitors, even if their info is contrived or based on unsubstantiated rumors.
 
moose

moose

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There was one nutcase senator that went on CNN saying that some of the problems is our law's.
she explained how mental doctors cannot act to protect the public when they encounter a patient they believed is about to comet a crime. all doctors can do is find a Judge that will agree with them.
she think doctors should have same power as the judicial and enforcement system.
this crazy Senator said that she think more legislation needs to be introduced to allow doctors to restrain mentally ill's, in a closed secured environment.
And we reelect those peoples ?
this goe's back to post # 18, [thanks for sharing!]. what did we expect that doctors to do? to take almost all of his brother freedom away ? to punish him for a crime he is yet to comet ? dose 'the minority report' ring a bell ?
What dose "Meaningful actions to ensure this will never happen again" mean ? (Obama!)
is that include limiting our freedom base on a (Gov. sponsored) mental doctor opinion ?
with one forth(or so) of our society on behavioral drugs, is that one of the needed keys to a FEMA camps ?
are we really willing to give so much of our freedom away, because we need the Gov. to protect us ?
funny how in less then 8 hours, we went from "cutting spending & entitlement programs" to "spending more on mental services" (be it by budget or by ObamaCare).
anyone else noted how we just lost a week of 'fiscal cliff" negotiation ?
no other news to report ?.
this is not media obsessives, this is Gov. directed.
(got to find conspiracy somewhere, LoL)
 
moose

moose

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Pilgrim said:
What's even more disgraceful is that most of the initial media reports are false or inaccurate. They aren't concerned with facts - all they want is shock value and the "scoop" on their competitors, even if their info is contrived or based on unsubstantiated rumors.
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It's a scare tactic, aimed at limiting our freedom, because every parent in America is "the fortunate ones that get to hug their kids tonight " (Obama!).
Gov. controlled media, i'm telling ya'h!
 
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mjmsprt40

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moose said:
There was one nutcase senator that went on CNN saying that some of the problems is our law's.
she explained how mental doctors cannot act to protect the public when they encounter a patient they believed is about to comet a crime. all doctors can do is find a Judge that will agree with them.
she think doctors should have same power as the judicial and enforcement system.
this crazy Senator said that she think more legislation needs to be introduced to allow doctors to restrain mentally ill's, in a closed secured environment.
And we reelect those peoples ?
this goe's back to post # 18, [thanks for sharing!]. what did we expect that doctors to do? to take almost all of his brother freedom away ? to punish him for a crime he is yet to comet ? dose 'the minority report' ring a bell ?
What dose "Meaningful actions to ensure this will never happen again" mean ? (Obama!)
is that include limiting our freedom base on a (Gov. sponsored) mental doctor opinion ?
with one forth(or so) of our society on behavioral drugs, is that one of the needed keys to a FEMA camps ?
are we really willing to give so much of our freedom away, because we need the Gov. to protect us ?
funny how in less then 8 hours, we went from "cutting spending & entitlement programs" to "spending more on mental services" (be it by budget or by ObamaCare).
anyone else noted how we just lost a week of 'fiscal cliff" negotiation ?
no other news to report ?.
this is not media obsessives, this is Gov. directed.
(got to find conspiracy somewhere, LoL)
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OK, Moose. What do you suggest should be done? Somewhere along the way, my right to swing my fist has to stop short of your nose. Now, I'm not in favor of restricting people's rights in general, but when someone makes threats against other people's lives something needs to be done. See the link below. You may not like it, but the problem is deadly serious and as long as we keep trying to pretend it isn't, tragedies like this are going to happen.

The Anarchist Soccer Mom: Thinking the Unthinkable
 
layoutshooter

layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
The problem is very real. but more laws are not the answer. Involved parents are. Government will use law to restrain anyone they deem a danger, including those who simply disagree with their policy. Both the extreme right and left are famous for that. The answer is personal responsibility. Give the government more control over mental illness and the definition of mental illness will expand with their power.
 
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mjmsprt40

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Layout, if you read the link you know the mother in the story is involved. About as involved as you can get. The problem is that there are none to help her, and the answers we're getting--- more parental involvement-- aren't going to help. Something serious has to be done, or the kid in the story in the link will be in the papers-- with us continuing the "parental involvement" mantra like that alone will solve the problem.
 
layoutshooter

layoutshooter

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mjmsprt40 said:
Layout, if you read the link you know the mother in the story is involved. About as involved as you can get. The problem is that there are none to help her, and the answers we're getting--- more parental involvement-- aren't going to help. Something serious has to be done, or the kid in the story in the link will be in the papers-- with us continuing the "parental involvement" mantra like that alone will solve the problem.
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I did read the link. Read history and see just how extreme governments have used 'mental illness' to further their control. Some things are even more dangerous than the mental cases. Think long term. Government excesses of the past will be repeated here. There is a need for more resources but government is not the answer. IF government is to be involved it MUST be at the local level ONLY. Expanding the power of the Federal government will kill far more than these people can. It has happened throughout history and will happen again if allowed to. We already have 'thought crimes'. The next step is?
 
cheri1122

cheri1122

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"Ensure this never happens again"? Highly unlikely: build a better mousetrap, right?
"Parental involvement"? Seriously: as if the act of having offspring confers wisdom and responsibility. [Huge snort]
And even if it did, there are some offspring who are simply beyond control, or even reach.
There just aren't any easy solutions to the problem of disturbed people, and maybe there never will be.
But I still think a first step should be to discourage the media from offering the notoriety that may well be a factor in the planning stage of an outrageous act.
 
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