A responsible gun owner......Not!

xiggi

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That article doesn't say if it was a legal gun or anything so using it here lacks a little evidence at this point.
 

Turtle

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Another fine example of responsible gun ownership.....

Waffle House worker killed after arguing with customer
It's hard to tell if you are being serious, or sarcastic (OK, not really). The Waffle House guy wanted to accomplish something, did so, and as such was the primary cause of something and so able to be blamed or credited for it, he sat there and waited for the police to arrive so that he could be responsible for his actions.

Some will argue that firing a gun at anyone for any reason is in and if itself irresponsible. Well, ok... Florida woman, 88, opens fire at intruder
 

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It's hard to tell if you are being serious, or sarcastic (OK, not really). The Waffle House guy wanted to accomplish something, did so, and as such was the primary cause of something and so able to be blamed or credited for it, he sat there and waited for the police to arrive so that he could be responsible for his actions.

Some will argue that firing a gun at anyone for any reason is in and if itself irresponsible. Well, ok... Florida woman, 88, opens fire at intruder
In this case the gun was used as a defensive weapon, no problem there, but shooting somebody for telling you not to smoke in the restaurant..... Not a responsible thing to do IMO.
 

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Oh it's responsible in a criminal way but has nothing to do with legal gun ownership.
 

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... but shooting somebody for telling you not to smoke in the restaurant..... Not a responsible thing to do IMO.
Maybe, maybe not, but the headline tells you quite clearly that he didn't shoot her for telling him not to smoke in the restaurant. I mean, he might have, but the story doesn't say that. He might have shot her for something else she said, or the way in which she said it. He shot her at the end of an argument, which ended the argument.

One can argue that it is irresponsible to use a gun during an argument, but that same logic must also include that it is equally irresponsible to engage, must less continue, an argument in the first place. The responsible thing to do would be to inform him of the policy, and if he didn't abide by it ask him to leave, and if he didn't leave simply call the police. One of the Cardinal Rules in foodservice (and retail, generally) is never argue with a customer. It's bad for business. Each side of the argument always tries to escalate things until they win, so even if you win, you lose.

That's in no way to absolve him of using a gun, which was (probably) wrong and completely unnecessary. But it does take two to argue.

For all we know her last words might have been, "You don't have the balls to pull that trig..."
 

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Unfortunately, there's no way to "like" a deleted post. Hopefully the same picture can be used again in another context or another thread. It's a winner. :D

Just an FYI... If you're someplace and someone pulls a gun, never ask, and certainly hope no one else nearby asks, "Are you crazy?!?"

It's redundant, for one, and it's also a virtual certainty they will show everybody just how crazy they are, now that they've been prompted by the question.

Also, if you are ever in a locked building and someone outside is threatening to shoot someone they are holding at gunpoint if you don't let them in, do what you can to apologize to the person being held at gunpoint, but don't let 'em in. If they are willing to shoot that person outside, you can bet everyone inside would be dead if you let them in.

That's not a situation I'd wish on anybody, because I've been in that situation, of having to make the call to let them in or not.
 

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I don't know much about the killers in the Columbine, Sandy Hook, & other tragedies, mainly because I figure there's no explaining why a mentally ill person does what he does - it is literally senseless.
In Colorado Springs, though, residents describe a local culture of fiercely defending their guns, despising Obama, and ignoring the fact that the local Planned Parenthood clinic requires a safety room with bulletproof vests for staff and patients - plus escorts for the patients from parking lot through the gauntlet of protesters waving signs [and one man who walks backwards in front of them as he tells them they're going to hell for this] and armed guards escorting the doctors.
When a health care clinic exists in this environment, [bullet proof vests! in an American clinic!] and people simply shrug it off as normal, is it surprising that some will use a gun to make their [political] point?
 

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So you think the four Lenape Indians all had individual personal matters with the nine or ten children they murdered. Interesting.

The Indians considered themselves at war with the Europeans, and that behavior was mutual. Both sides committed atrocities that they considered justified by the atrocities of the other side. Neither side killed people simply because they felt like killing people - they felt provoked into it by killings of their loved ones.


Well, except for all the other mass shootings where strangers died. Whitman may have been the first to have his shooting so closely tied to a school campus, but his was hardly the first indiscriminate mass shooting (spree, or rampage killings). In 1949 Charles Unruh killed 13 people, including 3 children, during a leisurely 12 minute walk through his neighborhood.

Mass Shootings Have Long History : DNews

Except they had a lot of collateral damage they weren't really concerned about and the mass killing numbers of the 20s,1929 in particular, do not include familial and felony murders of the gangster type of killings.

According to criminologist Grant Duwe, the mass murders of the 1020's & 30's are mostly familial, or committed during another felony crime. Again: they weren't committed by someone looking to kill strangers because they felt like killing people. And they certainly weren't killing schoolchildren in their classrooms. Nor were they engaging in 'copycat' behavior, which we can blame on the media, but what do we do about that? Ban the coverage?
 

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Does it matter?
No, not really. While most of the mass murders in the 20s and 30s were indeed familial or committed during felonies, when you remove those numbers from the spree killings and compare apples to apples, the number of "modern day" spree killings where people went looking to kill strangers just because they felt like it, including a few children in classrooms, nevertheless peaked in 1929. That's according to Grant Duwe's data, by the way.

Here Duwe shows how ridiculous is the notion that mass shootings are suddenly on the rise or are somehow a modern phenomenon:
The Truth About Mass Public Shootings

And in his book he details the numbers and patterns going back to 1900, where he carefully examines 909 mass shootings while specifically excluding the familial and felony (including gangsters and gangstas alike) shootings.
 
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