A prime example of why socialized medicine is wrong
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I'd argue the point but you not being born a Canadian you just don't know the system and how it works, what the roots were and how Canadians want this system.....it is just part of the Canadian way of life, integrated.....
It would be like me trying to argue American politics..I think I know how it basically works but I don't know enough of the history to make a real factual point.....
That is so ignorant...sir
jimby82
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Not trying to be mean or anything, but if it's such a great system, why would anyone leave such a wonderful place to move to somewhere, like I don't know, say South Dakota? lol.
I was very much an issue...My American wife very much a conservative...Loved the system....it was a great loss when we moved here into the old family home...
I've told you all the story so here is a short version...Can. HC started in Manitoba in the 40's it was a provincial thing....it spread from province to province on its own power....the people demanded it.....each province controls/manages thier own program depending on what they can afford....it wasn't till the 70's I think the Federal government took over as a watchdog to make sure someone in Ont. would be covered say in BC....and have a national standard of care...as it is here it against the constitution for the Feds to run a HC program....That is where Obama has jumped the fence....Canada HC is NOT free...from the time you are born it is built into everything you buy and where you work...so in its roots..the choice was made by the people for the people.
Not everyone in Ont. likes it.
My brother does consulting work. He has done several "sessions" at auto/truck plants in the Toronto area. One of the biggest complaints he hears is the high taxes that are needed to fund low quality health care.
These are line workers. They too travel to Buffalo or Detroit when real health care is needed.
OVM, the big difference, though it is fading here fast, is the mindset.
When our counties were founded we chose to get rid of the idea that people should be ruled. At that time the ruler was chosen by the accident of birth. We rejected the idea and replaced it with one of freedom and self-determination.
Canada chose to be ruled. What a shame so many in this country now chose to return to being subjects rather than free citizens.
My brother does consulting work. He has done several "sessions" at auto/truck plants in the Toronto area. One of the biggest complaints he hears is the high taxes that are needed to fund low quality health care.
These are line workers. They too travel to Buffalo or Detroit when real health care is needed.
OVM, the big difference, though it is fading here fast, is the mindset.
When our counties were founded we chose to get rid of the idea that people should be ruled. At that time the ruler was chosen by the accident of birth. We rejected the idea and replaced it with one of freedom and self-determination.
Canada chose to be ruled. What a shame so many in this country now chose to return to being subjects rather than free citizens.
Joe we'll never agree...but IMO your constitution was violated before the signers ink was even dry....you still live under some type of rule....way be small violations or big ones....from made to have a drivers license, to zoning bylaws to the seat belt law....even to selective service to the draft, all thing forced on its citizentry...
now that said...IF so many Americans supposedly want some sort of healthcare...aka the voters...there are ways and means to do it legally thru constitutional reform....let it be the peoples choice.....all this for what was it? a mere 35% of uninsured people?.....it doesn't make sense.
My concern in American politics the issue...to me...is the ever increasing use of Executive Order.....That right there is just dangerous and threatens the fabric of the constitution..
There are two LEGAL ways to change the Constitution. Anything that goes around that is criminal.
Also, what PROOF is there that 35% of the people lack insurance? My congressman and senators refuse to give me the means that they came up with that number.
Also, why have insurance? The cost of health care would drop like a rock it two things were done. Outlaw insurance and get rid of the bogus lawsuits.
As to the draft, there very well may be Constitutional grounds for that. One of the duties of government in the articles is the authority to 'raise an army'.
There is nothing in the articles about using force to make people buy something.
35% is just some number I seen rattling around...where it came from who knows...
what about the Exe. O issue Joe????
what about the Exe. O issue Joe????
You are mixing things up here. Quite a common mistake.
The drivers license, zoning and seat belt laws are STATE laws, not federal. The States decide what they want or don't want. The Federal government cannot do those things under the Constitution.
A STATE can impose health care, the Feds cannot.
AND that is where we do I agree.....Obama has completely stepped out of line....If a state wants to do it on thier own fine....
Without coercion OR interference from the Federal Government.
I have been consistent on this. This is not a Federal issue. IF the SC upholds the use of force to extort money from the people, at gun point, to make the buy a product that they do not wish to buy, the Constitution is dead and the Country is no longer.
OH!! You mean King Putz the 1st ordered that number to exist. Now it all makes sense!
Lordy Joe..you really need to get them eyes looked at....LOL
The ever increasing use of Executive Order....what are your thoughts?
The ever increasing use of Executive Order....what are your thoughts?
Just making fun of it!! You just have to laugh at it or go crazy.
The way executive orders are being used now is nothing less that dictatorship. It gets worse every day.
Thank you..Joe....that was like pulling teeth to get that out of you....LOL
Hey, if you cannot make fun of the 'donkey butts' in Washington, what fun is it?