a perfect story of success - ByPass oil filtration

[moose]

got a bad oil sample from the Hino a few days ago .
and the hysteric phone call from the lab.
traces of antifreeze in the oil.
describing the emergency ,the tech uses the frieze:'a water drop in a room'
got the team drivers to the shop ASAP ,and happened to meet them while checking in at the dealer. wonderful folks.
the shop pressure tested the motor.
antifreeze leaking out from the back of the motor head gasket, and obviously also into the Engine.
no way to see it unless in the shop with a flashlight.
they remove the head and inspected it to see if this is a head gasket ,or if a new head needs to be shipped over night.

get this , all under warranty.
the 3 years warranty on the Hino will expire 6 weeks from now !

the truck was fixed in 'our' trusted shop, no need to recover a load from a remote place, no need for a tow truck, no needs for expensive engine damage, the drivers spent the time off in their favorite hotel...

ByPass oil filtration - do not leave home without.

 

[ATeam]

A good catch indeed! When you say "ByPass oil filtration," what do you mean exactly? It sounds more to me that it was an oil sample analysis that tipped you off.

 

[Dynamite 1]

standard practice w/bypass systems is to have a sample done at every service cause you are not changing the oil every time. it may even be part of a plan when purchasing the bypass system.i know most provide sample kits. most who dont have a bypass system and change every 15,000 dont always have a sample done every time. therefor by buying the bypass system and and following the bypass procedures it was caught.

 

[ATeam]

standard practice w/bypass systems is to have a sample done at every service cause you are not changing the oil every time. it may even be part of a plan when purchasing the bypass system.i know most provide sample kits. most who dont have a bypass system and change every 15,000 dont always have a sample done every time. therefor by buying the bypass system and and following the bypass procedures it was caught.

Thank you, Dynamite 1. Diane and I have a bypass filter on our Volvo truck engine but it is OEM, not aftermarket. The oil sample lab work is done by a separate company that we hire for that service.

 

[truckblue]

standard practice w/bypass systems is to have a sample done at every service cause you are not changing the oil every time. it may even be part of a plan when purchasing the bypass system.i know most provide sample kits. most who dont have a bypass system and change every 15,000 dont always have a sample done every time. therefor by buying the bypass system and and following the bypass procedures it was caught.

I am a firm believer in having oil analysis done. I get one with oil change at Speedco, the best 20.00 I can spend.

 

[moose]

Taking that same sample from a motor without a ByPass oil filtration system of less then 5 microns ,will probably not have tipped me off.
as that sample could have easily being contaminated without a real engine problem .
at the time of sampling ,the oil had 65,000mil on it.
there are many owners that take samples regularly ,but the results of those samples do not tell the whole story.
extending drain intervals can only be monitors by filtering out the contamination regularly.
we do that by replacing the cleaning element every 12,000mil.
and the EOM filters every 24,000mil.
but even so, after some 100,000 mil. the amount of small, very small, microscopic chemicals and bacterias in the oil, will make it hard for the lab to determine the source of those chemicals.
this is not the case with metal wear. if a sample comes back with metal parts in it, FS offer a service where a sample can be taken to another lab. the parts will then be placed under the microscope ,and a clear determinations will be made by an expert as to the origin of those metal parts in the motor. in most cases they can look at the shape of that microscopical metal shaves to decide the course of actions.
the by pass filters is the FS2500 made by Filtration solutions in K.C ,KS. it's is by far the most selling unit out there, and for a good rezone. the life long history of that Engine, and the data stored in the company records from other costumers, made it possible for us to determine that proactive actions needs to be taken.

 

[golfournut]

Gotta love that Hino warranty. I sure do!

Your best bet, hire a vet! Please.

 

[greg334]

Taking that same sample from a motor without a ByPass oil filtration system of less then 5 microns ,will probably not have tipped me off.

It would have regardless what you have on the engine.
The filtering has zero to do with the additives and some of the chemical contaminates. The test look for chemicals, like Glycol in the oil, once it hits a certain level, it is considered a contaminate.

 

[moose]

You are wrongly assuming we had high levels of Glycol in the oil.
we did not.
the lab results where confusing at best.
Julie Kevin from Filtration solutions is consider to be a world expert in oil analysis reviews . she is the one made the determinations base on other factors and her own experience and expertise's.
the problem with an extended drain intervals,is that along the way the motor produce the same chemicals from other sources.
if a speedco sample comes back good, then you are probebly good to go,becase the oil only have a short lifespan .
however,if an speedco oil sample comes back bad, it dose not necessarily mean there's anything wrong with the motor, because we did not flashed away the 'natural' chemicals like we do with the FS2500.
by not filtering out the contamination, the PPM needs to be way greater for the lab to flag a sample. by that time a possibility of a damaged can occurred .
they say that a human hair sized metal where, can damaged parts of the motor. that's 45 micron.
most EOM ,and others, that installed in the engines are rating for 30 to 55 microns.
the FS2500, is rated at 2.5 micron .
if you do not filter out the chemicals then there are way too many PPM floating in the oil for the lab to make a determinations.
we caught this right when it just started ! ,way before any other sample would have being flagged.

The problem that i do have is with the OPS1 installed in the truck i'm driving.
that sucker is rated at less then 1 micron.
insanely clear.
if we take ALL the contamination out, how can we expect the lab to flag a bad sample.
and indeed my research show ,that FS costumers are more likely to 'get the call' ,then OPS1 ones.

the other problem with OPS1, is that in compering to other ,their costumers ,my self included, are increasing drain intervals way beyond any other ByPass filtration manufacturers.
if you have over 150,000 mil on the oil ,you MUST ask yourself how mach of that oil is actually oil, regardless of lab reports !

 

[greg334]

Moose,
I got what you are saying but it seems that regardless who is an expert or not the statement was "Taking that same sample from a motor without a ByPass oil filtration system of less then 5 microns ,will probably not have tipped me off." which I said it wasn't a factor. The mitigating factor here is taking the test, with or without the bypass system installed. The test done in a good lab, not speedco, will break down the composition of the sample regardless what filtration system you have on the system. Taking it from the sump opposed to the filter is also recommended by many.

The other thing that strikes me odd is the below 4 micron filtration that like the OPS1 may also take some of the additives out of the oil, this has been commented on by both Mobile and Chevron engineers about some filtration systems. They feel, which they are the manufacturers of the oil and know best, that 5 micron is the limit that anyone should be looking for, not 4 or below.

Also just as a reminder that Oil doesn't have a lifespan, unless it is baked (cracked if you will) then the composition changes and it may have lost its lubricating quality. What does have a lifespan are the additives, where they either wear out, evaporate or change their composition with mild heat.

Overall I'm glad you caught it and hope others will listen.

 

[fortwayne]

Moose, glad they caught that, sure hate to hear you have anything go wrong with that truck.....it is a sweet truck indeed.

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[moose]

Just wanted to update everyone that Filtration Solutions now upgraded the website, and we can now order online.

i just ordered 5 replacement elements & 5 oil samples kit.
was very user friendly shopping .

FS-2500 :: Bypass Oil Filter System

also, since the motor repair was done, all oil samples came back clean.
it looks like we can run about 13,000mil. between elements replacement, if we exceed that, the samples goe's 'flagged'.
and about 80,000mil. between oil changes. as shown in the samples reports .
Thanks.

 

[RETIDEPXE]

Oil analysis question;
My Cat C-9 with 640,000 miles is running smooth but blow-by starting to rear it's ugly head. She requires a gallon of oil every 5,000 miles now.. The OPS1 lab report came back with "Lubricant change is suggested if not done at sampling time; Infrared results indicate that NITRATION is at a SEVERE LEVEL;
Infrared results indicate OXIDATION is SIGNIFICANTLY HIGH; Iron is at a MINOR LEVEL"

I've heard Rutherford say the Rotella T6 full synthetic has been showing higher Nitration readings, but if the TBN and viscocity and other tell tales are OK, not to worry. I want to run it till I get home to change for the Holidays, or should I do it asap?
What do you guys think?

Iron; 21ppm (flagged green 1)
Fuel Dilution; <.1
Soot; <.1
Water; <.1
Viscos; 14.0
Base Number; 5.63
Oxidation; 25 (flagged an orange 3)
Nitration; 32 (flagged a red 4)

Thank you.