A New Face Among The Whackjobs On The Right

RLENT

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"Rep.-elect Allen West (R-Fla.) may have proven himself a prime pupil for fellow Rep. Michele Bachmann's forthcoming constitutional classes, when he recently displayed selective reverence for the Tea Party's most sacred document by calling for American news outlets to be censored for running stories based on the recent WikiLeaks cable dump.

Here's the transcript of what the soon-to-be congressman said on a conservative internet radio program last week, via ThinkProgress:

WEST: "There are different means by which you can be attacked. I mean it doesnt have to be a bomb or an airplane flying into a building. It doesn't have to be a shooting. It can be through cyber attacks, it could be through leaking of very sensitive classified information. Regardless of whether you think it causes any harm, the fact that here is an individual that is not an American citizen first and foremost, for whatever reason gotten his hands on classified American material and put it out there in the public domain. And I think that we also should be censoring the American news agencies which enabled him to do this and also supported him and applauding him for the efforts. So that's kind of aiding and abetting of a serious crime."

Beyond the clear fact that he is arguing against one of the most exalted constitutional guarantees of a free press, West is also joining a number of legislators who have met worries over the actions of Julian Assange's WikiLeaks by branding the Australian citizen as an enemy of the state.

While some have argued that he is guilty of treason — a nonsensical argument considering his lack of American citizenship — or terrorism, and maybe even punishable by the death penalty, West charted a somewhat different course, joining Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.), who last week said that the media accomplices, such as The New York Times, who were enabling people to view the information should be held accountable for their part in the affair as well. Of course, West took this argument further by calling for censorship, while Lieberman simply urged an investigation. [Rlent Editorial Comment: ..... and to think: at least some portion of the American people actually elected this retard ..... :rolleyes:]

Though Wikileaks and Julian Assange have been roundly criticized by politicians on both sides of the spectrum, Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) gave perhaps the most impassioned defense of the website and its actions in an address on the House floor last week, in which he called the "hysterical reaction" to the leaks an "example of killing the messenger for the bad news."

Original Article:

Allen West: Government 'Should Be Censoring The American News Agencies
 
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LDB

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Now diva, why do you want to go and ruin a perfectly good rant based on distortions by interjecting fact into the discussion?
 

dieseldiva

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Now diva, why do you want to go and ruin a perfectly good rant based on distortions by interjecting fact into the discussion?

You're right....what was I thinking?? It must be fact...it DOES come from the Huffington Post.....:rolleyes:

Here is a LINK to the original interview which I'm trying to get through, he isn't the first guest so it's taking a while. I don't know if he mispronounced the word or what but if you're interested in hearing it for yourself, have at it.
 
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RLENT

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Ahhh Diva, Diva, Diva .... being the handmaiden and doing the legwork for LIARS ...

I never would have thought it of you ..... :rolleyes:

You really, really shoulda actually listened to the audio clip of Mr. West on page which I posted a link to - where he can be heard - very clearly - in his own voice, saying c-e-n-s-o-r-e-d ..... not censured .....

The statement by West you linked only further serves to prove that the guy is a lyin' scumbag sack of **** ..... and doesn't even have the 'nard to admit he "misspoke" .....

But I know ..... he's on the "right" side of things ... so it's all "good" .... no matter ... :rolleyes:
 

RLENT

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Now diva, why do you want to go and ruin a perfectly good rant based on distortions by interjecting fact into the discussion?
Dude,

You you wouldn't know a fact if it bit you in the *** ....

Listen to the recording in the link I posted ...
 
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RLENT

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You're right....what was I thinking??
..... that was what I was thinkin' .... :rolleyes:

I don't know if he mispronounced the word or what but if you're interested in hearing it for yourself, have at it.
Nope - didn't mispronounce anything - said what he actually meant - and now that he's been caught and called on it, he's having to backtrack and lie about it ....
 

dieseldiva

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So you don't think that speaking censor instead of censure would be possible?? It should be added that there IS a vein of thought out there that holds that the New York Times is also guilty of criminal activity....whether you agree or not, it's out there....could he have meant that?? Oh no, of course not....he meant censoring any and all press and media that doesn't agree with him....right??:rolleyes:
 

RLENT

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So you don't think that speaking censor instead of censure would be possible??
Of course I do (think it is possible) ... I just don't think it happened in this case. ;)

In any case, it wouldn't really matter - considering what the definition of censure is .....

Either would be equally abhorent to the Founders I'd guess.

It should be added that there IS a vein of thought out there that holds that the New York Times is also guilty of criminal activity ....
No kiddin' ? :rolleyes:

There's also been folks in high places that think torture is ok ....

....whether you agree or not, it's out there....could he have meant that?? Oh no, of course not ....
I'm quite sure that he did mean exactly that ..... listen to what he says ...

You might wanna read up on court cases and legal decisions regarding Freedom of the Press and the First Amendment.

he meant censoring any and all press and media that doesn't agree with him....right??:rolleyes:
Well, he's certainly seems to be a likely candidate (for that)
 

dieseldiva

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That's ok, I'll let you move forward with the wikileaks crap....I don't have the obsession that seems to have overtaken you.....:p I was just offering Mr. West's statement up for review.
 

LDB

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diva, don't spend too long debating the perfect one who knows everything about everything and everyone. We're mortals after all.
 

dieseldiva

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diva, don't spend too long debating the perfect one who knows everything about everything and everyone. We're mortals after all.

I just don't have the interest in this one to debate, I just wanted to post Mr. West's comments as I've seen him in the past as being quite reasonable concerning other issues. Also, I don't like the "whackjobs on the right" thing.......as I said in the above posts, there are MANY that think the press should be held somewhat responsible and surely they're not ALL on the right.....but....we gotta wear that tag now, don't we.....*sigh*:rolleyes:
 

LDB

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I appreciate you posting it and although Mr. West is just a mortal and not the perfect one I have seen and heard enough of him to believe him. He would get my vote if I were in his district.
 

RLENT

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I just don't have the interest in this one to debate,
Wise move ... ;)

I just wanted to post Mr. West's comments as I've seen him in the past as being quite reasonable concerning other issues.
Thank you for doing so - since it would seem that his later comments cast him in an even more dubious light ....

Also, I don't like the "whackjobs on the right" thing.......
Understandable ....

FWIW, I'm all about equal opportunity - and full well recognize that there is no shortage of leftwing whackjobs.

as I said in the above posts, there are MANY that think the press should be held somewhat responsible and surely they're not ALL on the right
Clearly, they are not (all on the right)

But I've made that point quite a few times (whackiness exists on both sides of the aisle)

.....but....we gotta wear that tag now, don't we.....*sigh*
Nope - no one has to wear it - just simply disavow what he originally said (censoring the press) - without trying to qualify it by saying he misspoke or other lame justification ....

He didn't even claim that himself - he actually lied and claimed that he said (not meant) something different than what he actually did say.
 

dieseldiva

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I won't be disavowing ANYTHING so I hope you're not holding your breath......now let's see how many "chops" you can make out of THIS post to try and convince everyone of your intelligence. (or lack of)
 

RLENT

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I appreciate you posting it and although Mr. West is just a mortal and not the perfect one I have seen and heard enough of him to believe him.
My question is: which statement of his do you believe - because what he said in the broadcast and what he says below are in conflict with one another:

"The media is clearly misled on a statement made by me during a recent radio interview on what to do concerning Wikileaks":
by Allen West on Tuesday, December 14, 2010 at 3:14pm

I am heard on the African-American Conservative Radio Show saying the media should be censured ...."
Clearly this is an outright lie - as anyone who has actually listened to the audio knows.

"In no way would I ever ask to "censor" anyone or any organization."
Yup - there's no way he would ever ask ...... but he's not above stating that it should be done.

"It has never been my intent to quiet or censor the press or anyone for that matter utilizing their right of freedom of speech granted to them under this country's great American Constitution. The confusion comes with the word censor ... when I meant censure - in context that the media should be harshly criticized for printing the damaging documents Assange has released which so clearly puts our soldiers and country at risk."
If you believe the above - coming from a pol that just got caught by his shorthairs, then clearly you belong to the class of what are known as "true believers" ....

He would get my vote if I were in his district.
Wow .... I gotta admit: this really threw me for a loop .... I am surprised ..... :rolleyes:
 

LDB

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I listened to the recording. Considering how many people pronounce various words in very strange ways I'll allow there could be a small margin of error although it did sound pretty clear. Considering how many people say one word when they intend to say another that's another small margin of error. Taking all he's said into account and his history and service I'd give him at least as much benefit of the doubt as Wikileaks has been getting so he's got a few zillion more freebies points available to him at this point.
 

witness23

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Now diva, why do you want to go and ruin a perfectly good rant based on distortions by interjecting fact into the discussion?

You didn't listen to the audio that was in RLENTS link before posting this did you?
 
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